NYS PESH And Leadership Training

[SilentShadow 32]

Can NYS PESH cite a department for lack of leadership training and experience of Chief officers?

[GreatPlains588 131]

Hmmmm......Let's see how this is going to pan out........."Fire Service Operations Leadership with out any current or relevant training"

 

Eitherway, it's not good.  Just read some NIOSH LODD reports to see how its turned out in the past.

[turk182 37]

OSHA 1910.156(c)(1)

 

1910.156(c)(1)

The employer shall provide training and education for all fire brigade members commensurate with those duties and functions that fire brigade members are expected to perform. Such training and education shall be provided to fire brigade members before they perform fire brigade emergency activities. Fire brigade leaders and training instructors shall be provided with training and education which is more comprehensive than that provided to the general membership of the fire brigade.

Edited November 4, 2016 by turk182

[exmrvfc 0]

1920.120 (q)(6)(v) Hazwoper Standard

Requires additional training for any "on Scene Incident commander" beyond hazmat ops.  That is why you have the HazMat Incident Commander class.  

[nysff 18]

NYS PESH came out last year at several fire service conferences to discuss with "Best Practices" document developed by OFPC, PESH and FASNY/NYSAFC representatives.  In that document it is stated that higher level of training is needed by line/chief officers including the job objectives contained in Fire Officer 1 as well as other training including Firefighter 2.

 

[Viper 139]

What happens in a combination department, that has career leadership for the career guys, and volunteer leadership for the volunteers? Who is ultimately responsible in the eyes of PESH?

Edited November 7, 2016 by Viper

[velcroMedic1987 330]

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2016 at 11:57 AM, Viper said:

What happens in a combination department, that has career leadership for the career guys, and volunteer leadership for the volunteers? Who is ultimately responsible in the eyes of PESH?

 

The district or municipality in most cases.

[SilentShadow 32]

So, what is the penalty? Do they remove the Chiefs? What happens if there is no one qualified to replace them? Or do they issue an order for them to get more training? And what would happen in the meantime?

[signal30 22]

Ah, yes... when this discussion with commissioners turns into "we'll just pay the fine" and then ultimately, when you mention that you can be sued if you screw it up...

 

"That's what we pay insurance for"