Yonkers FD New Deliveries (2013 and 2014 Bids)

[61MACKBR1 222]

With New Rochelle FD anticipating putting their New Engine 23 in service in the next couple of weeks, keep an eye out in the early Summer of 2014 for the Yonkers FD to take delivery of 2 new 1000 GPM Pumpers (Replacements of Engine 303 [2006 ALF] and Engine 313 [2003 ALF] (The Bid Specification says either it be a Seagrave Attacker, Ferrera Ultra or "Similar" Cab). Bid Opening was on May 8, 2013, so one would anticipate delivery in or around June.

Also, Bid Opening was announced on February 26, 2014 for the replacement of Tower Ladder 71 (2008 ALF/LTI). One would anticipate a March 2015 delivery for this rig (will be interesting who ends up being the lowest bid Tower Ladder for this one, as YFD has only had either MACK CF/Baker or ALF/LTI Tower Ladders in the history of the department.

[61MACKBR1 222]

Based upon Neville Apparatus Corporation being awarded the bid on the New Engine 303 and 313, I guess that they will be FERRARA rigs (1st for the Yonkers FD). It was listed in the City of Yonkers Board of Contract and Supply that Neville Apparatus was the "Sole Bidder" for the 2 new rigs and thus was awarded the contract. Interesting that other suppliers did not even want to bid on the 2 new units.

Edited March 9, 2014 by 61MACKBR1

[FDNYBuff97 5]

Heard from a reliable source that then Engines will be the Ferrara Ultra cabs, not sure about the tower ladders.

[x635 4,066]

Heard from a reliable source that then Engines will be the Ferrara Ultra cabs, not sure about the tower ladders.

The Ferraras will begin construction soon. They will be on the Ultra chasis (similar to FDNY). Like the ALF's, they will be all stainless steel.

The Tower Ladder bids are somewhere in the research/ preliminary procurement process. I know Smeal had brought a demo for Yonkers to check out recently.

Seagrave is resurging in the area, I could see them getting Yonkers, but only if Yonkers doesn't need the ladder walkway.

R1SmokeEater or one of our YFD members should know more about upcoming apparatus, and I hope they'll share if they are willing to.

[TheNewLadder32 49]

Hey guys just two quick questions:

1. Did Smeal put in a bid for the two engines ?

2. Has Ferrara worked out all the kinks in the Ultra chassis, mostly the problems the FDNY had been experiencing with some of their apparatus ?

Other then that best of luck to YFD on their new Engines !

Edited March 12, 2014 by TheNewLadder32

[61MACKBR1 222]

Hey guys just two quick questions:

1. Did Smeal put in a bid for the two engines ?

2. Has Ferrara worked out all the kinks in the Ultra chassis, mostly the problems the FDNY had been experiencing with some of their apparatus ?

Other then that best of luck to YFD on their new Engines !

According to the Yonkers Board of Supply information pertaining to the bid on the 2 New Pumper/Engines, as indicated my post above, the Ferrara Dealer (Neville) won the bid and was the "Sole Bidder" for the request (don't understand why other Manufacturers, such as Smeal, Seagrave, Sutphen, etc, did not bid on this?)

[M' Ave 1,466]

Hey guys just two quick questions:

2. Has Ferrara worked out all the kinks in the Ultra chassis, mostly the problems the FDNY had been experiencing with some of their

They most certainly have NOT. They are on a constant parade to the shops and the Ferrara mechanics are on constant parade to firehouses for repairs. They have some serious design flaws to go along with serious quality control issues.

[61MACKBR1 222]

They most certainly have NOT. They are on a constant parade to the shops and the Ferrara mechanics are on constant parade to firehouses for repairs. They have some serious design flaws to go along with serious quality control issues.

Along with FDNY, Mount Vernon FD has 2 - Ferrara's in service (Engine 3 & Engine 4). Is FDMV having issues with their 2 Ferrara's as well? (I am sure that YFD has looked extensively into the recent Maintenance History of the Ferrara Ultra (FDNY & FDMV) as part of their Bid Specification and review prior to award of the contract)

[Bnechis 3,961]

According to the Yonkers Board of Supply information pertaining to the bid on the 2 New Pumper/Engines, as indicated my post above, the Ferrara Dealer (Neville) won the bid and was the "Sole Bidder" for the request (don't understand why other Manufacturers, such as Smeal, Seagrave, Sutphen, etc, did not bid on this?)

The main reason that vendors do not bid is because it costs them $10,000-$20,000 just to put the bid in. If they feel they do not have a good shot at winning it, why throw your money away.

The main reason a vendor would feel they do not have a good shot is the Spec itself. For example if the bid required a Stainless steel cab, Smeal & Sutphen do not offer this. Same for the split tilt cab, etc.

[61MACKBR1 222]

The main reason that vendors do not bid is because it costs them $10,000-$20,000 just to put the bid in. If they feel they do not have a good shot at winning it, why throw your money away.

The main reason a vendor would feel they do not have a good shot is the Spec itself. For example if the bid required a Stainless steel cab, Smeal & Sutphen do not offer this. Same for the split tilt cab, etc.

Thanks Barry for the explanation. Makes sense (I would also assume that the "Competition" would also take this as a sign that in order to stay "Competitive" in the marketplace, those manufacturers need to expand their product offerings to include such things as "Stainless Steel" and "Split Tilt" Cabs)

[x635 4,066]

Thanks Barry for the explanation. Makes sense (I would also assume that the "Competition" would also take this as a sign that in order to stay "Competitive" in the marketplace, those manufacturers need to expand their product offerings to include such things as "Stainless Steel" and "Split Tilt" Cabs)

The competition doesn't need this as a sign to be competitive, and the offerings are plentiful. Split-tilt cabs are very, very, very rarely asked for nowadays, and developing a new cab costs millions of dollars. They aren't going to develop a product that no one wants. A lot of departments also don't want or need a full stainless steel cab, as it's lighter and easier to maintain aluminum.

The Ferrara Ultra also comes as a full-tilt model, and I'm sure Yonkers didn't spec a split-tilt.

And Yonkers has gone with a variety of different manufacturers of the years, such as HME, Smeal, ALF, Ward LaFrance, Seagrave, Continental, Mack, Ward 79, etc. Some of those were sole bidders as well. One of the main reasons Smeal wins the aerials is because they are one, if not the only, manufacturer that can provide rear mount aerials to operate on the extreme grades of Yonkers streets.

[TheNewLadder32 49]

According to the Yonkers Board of Supply information pertaining to the bid on the 2 New Pumper/Engines, as indicated my post above, the Ferrara Dealer (Neville) won the bid and was the "Sole Bidder" for the request (don't understand why other Manufacturers, such as Smeal, Seagrave, Sutphen, etc, did not bid on this?)

Thanks I should have read that a little More Clear.

[Bnechis 3,961]

Thanks Barry for the explanation. Makes sense (I would also assume that the "Competition" would also take this as a sign that in order to stay "Competitive" in the marketplace, those manufacturers need to expand their product offerings to include such things as "Stainless Steel" and "Split Tilt" Cabs)

Most of those manufactures have items that those making split tilt & SS cabs do not, so its a wash.

If you want a specific manufacturer and are willing to accept minimal bids you can do it. But you may pay more because of the lack of compation and depending on how you did it you may be breaking the law. Sometimes its got to be, for example when we spec'ed Ladder 12 we had a maximum height that only 3 manufacturers could meet, that knocked 5 out of the running before any other item was even mentioned. We had no choice because of bridge and station heights.

[Taz288 8]

How come the TL is not on an Ultra cab like the engines?

[61MACKBR1 222]

How come the TL is not on an Ultra cab like the engines?

Good Question. One would have thought that the Cab would have been a Ferrara Ultra Cab, like they are building for YFD Engine's 303 and 313. However, the New Tower Ladder 71 is a Ferrara Inferno Cab. Maybe someone from within YFD can let everyone know on this one? (See YFD New Tower Ladder 71 Ferrara Inferno below on left and next to it, on the right, is one of the 2 New YFD Ferrara Ultra Pumpers)

Edited April 2, 2015 by 61MACKBR1

[Riverside80 6]

Still can not believe these trucks are not finished. Its been about two years for the pumpers and over a year for the aerial.

[R1SmokeEater 359]

How come the TL is not on an Ultra cab like the engines?

It has something to do with fitting the largest motor in the truck. The TL cab is wider to accommodate the biggest motor in it.

[R1SmokeEater 359]

Still can not believe these trucks are not finished. Its been about two years for the pumpers and over a year for the aerial.

I heard since Ferrara was trying to crank out FDNYs rearmounts, they pushed us back in line.

Edited April 4, 2015 by R1SmokeEater

[Stepjam 118]

Ferrara would be wise to take a history lesson from Mack and Seagrave. When you set up a productions schedule that caters to a single buyer, at the expense of numerous smaller buyers, that's going to hit your bottom line in the long run when those smaller buyers go elsewhere. It's the Walmart theory of supply and demand.

[M' Ave 1,466]

Ferrara would be wise to take a history lesson from Mack and Seagrave. When you set up a productions schedule that caters to a single buyer, at the expense of numerous smaller buyers, that's going to hit your bottom line in the long run when those smaller buyers go elsewhere. It's the Walmart theory of supply and demand.

True....they should also take note of another fact; The warranty FDNY specifies is murder. Build it right the first time and you won't lose your shirt in warranty costs.