Larger crews more effective battling High Rise Fires

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NBC Nightly News | June 26, 2013

Larger crews more effective battling high rise fires At a time when municipalities are struggling with shrinking budgets and cutbacks, new research shows the need for an increase if firefighter staffing especially when it comes to fighting hi-rise fires. NBC's Tom Costello reports.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/52306074/#52306074

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I'm pretty sure that FDNY, Yonkers, New Rochelle, and White Plains have all been saying this for a number of years. As their numbers have been reduced.

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What was most interesting in the study is the math.

It showed the two 3 member crews was not as effective as a 5 or 6 member crew. in other words 3 + 3 = 4.8

The study is from NIST who in 2010 did a study that if followed would consolidate most of Westchester. In the single family house fire study, they determined that a minimum crew size of 3ff/1off was better than smaller crews EVEN if it ment longer response times.

They actually determined the levels of toxic gas & heat when it was no longer survivable for victims and compared how the proper crew size that arrived later acctually had more time to rescue them & save property because they were so much more effecient in attacking the fire and rescuing the victims.

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What was most interesting in the study is the math.

It showed the two 3 member crews was not as effective as a 5 or 6 member crew. in other words 3 + 3 = 4.8

The study is from NIST who in 2010 did a study that if followed would consolidate most of Westchester. In the single family house fire study, they determined that a minimum crew size of 3ff/1off was better than smaller crews EVEN if it ment longer response times.

They actually determined the levels of toxic gas & heat when it was no longer survivable for victims and compared how the proper crew size that arrived later acctually had more time to rescue them & save property because they were so much more effecient in attacking the fire and rescuing the victims.

You mean this report?

http://www.nist.gov/manuscript-publication-search.cfm?pub_id=904607

There you go using science and facts to refute politics and emotion. When are you gonna learn!?!?!?

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Wouldn't it be nice if maybe some day the proper size crew was able to respond sooner rather than later for all incidents. I doubt it though. Certainly not anytime soon, if ever. I don't think there will ever be enough money to do it right so it will always and forever be do the best you can with what you have, adjust your SOP's accordingly and everyone will just have to accept the outcome because there is only so much money to go around and more and more programs that want it. There doesn't seem to be the same priority placed on police and fire service lately, not like there used to be anyway. You can do all the studies you want, but in the end you are more likely to lose a team member to balance the budget rather than gain one to achieve optimum crew size.

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NBC Nightly News | June 26, 2013

Larger crews more effective battling high rise fires

At a time when municipalities are struggling with shrinking budgets and cutbacks, new research shows the need for an increase if firefighter staffing especially when it comes to fighting hi-rise fires. NBC's Tom Costello reports.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/52306074/#52306074

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