NY SAFE Act of 2013 (Gun Law)

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http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/2013/May/13/Dean_arr-13May13.htm

So we have the first (publicized) local arrest for violating the "SAFE" act. The man had 9 rounds instead of 7 in his magazine. Oh my ! Must be a dangerous person !

Several police agencies have come out against this act and have said they would not enforce it. The NYSP has been silent on the issue. I guess now we know whose side they're on.

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I wouldn't say they have been silent...

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/nys_troopers_have_widely_share.html

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What difference does it make if a person has 9 bullets in a magazine or 9 magazines with 7 bullets = Cuomo is stupid!

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I wouldn't say they have been silent...

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/nys_troopers_have_widely_share.html

Hadn't seen that article. Thanks.

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I will correct myself. I don't really mean Troopers as a whole group. (as far as whose side they're on). Each individual trooper can decide which laws to enforce.

It has been nearly a month since "assault" weapons were supposed to begin to be registered. Out of the estimated 1,000,000 believed to be in this state, how many have registered yet?

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I see the ammo limit as just another way to gun-grab- just another way to strip a citizen of their 2A rights. As someone who believes in our Constitution, if I were a LEO I would have a very hard time enforcing this. It's sickening.

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I recently heard an ENCON officer say that they would not enforce it as it is unconstitutional.

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We only see what's in the news but this person may have given the officers a hard time and with his other infractions they decided to stick it to him

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The above pic is spot on....I can't wait to move outta this state..

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DA refusing to prosecute recent SAFE Act arrest.

http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/2013/May/25/SAFE_nopros_Czajka-25May13.html

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Not that it is that shocking but this morning at 2AM the Senate passed changes to the SAFE Act.... Yes 2AM

In overnight surprise, Senate exempts retired cops from SAFE Act

Without warning, the state Senate approved a bill early Friday morning that would exempt retired law enforcement officers from new ammunition restrictions in New York’s new gun control law, the SAFE Act.

The measure sprang onto the chamber floor shortly before 2 a.m., and drew howls from some of the GOP’s Republican members. Roughly half of them — including Sens. Kathy Marchione, R-Halfmoon and Hugh Farley, R-Niskayuna — voted against the legislation, generally citing disgust with the process and a desire that the SAFE Act be repealed in its entirety.

“There’s a difference between working through the night and this crap. This is ridiculous,” Sen. Greg Ball, R-Putnam County, said on the chamber floor. “You’re going to have this conference be ripped apart.”

The exemption passed 49-14.

Article:

http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/189760/in-overnight-surprise-senate-exempts-retired-cops-from-safe-act/

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I mean no disrespect to any current, former or future LEO's but what's the rationale behind this? Retired cops are more trustworthy than law abiding citizens? Have a right to more protections? If the allowance is so that LEO's have better protection, does this not acknowledge that 10 rounds or less can be viewed as inadequate for personal defense? I'm sorry but none of us are any better than the citizens we protect, these are jobs, and just because we pass an entrance background check there are few guarantees we'll continue down the straight and narrow path.

This is more divide and conquer legislation, by ensuring LEO's are happy they'll be less likely to be opposed to other measures.

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Lets me get this straight, under this new proposal retired LEO's can have more ammo, but active duty on-duty LEO's responding to a school shooting will still be restricted in the amount and be breaking the law if they bring their guns into a gun free school zone?

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As Senator Greg Ball said last night... "Lets stop this insanity and repeal this bill!!"

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Kahr is planning to move to Pike Co.,Pa from Pearl River. According to the article, they do 75 - 100 MILLION $$ annually. They cite the gun unfriendly culture in NY as a reason for leaving NY.

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130623/BIZ/306230321&cid=mostclicked

http://www.kahr.com/

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A bit of good news today, although they upheld most of the law, the 7 round limit was overturned today in federal district court. A small victory but hopefully more on appeal.

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In the Poughkeepsie Journal today, an article confirms what has been long suspected. Compliance with the "SAFE" Act as far as registering newly (albeit incorrectly) defined "assault weapons" is at about 4%.

After FOIL requests asking for information about the registration were denied, S.C.O.P.E. sued for the information. Although no one can say for sure how many "assault weapons" are in NY, it is widely assumed to be 1,000,000 or more. About 44,000 have been registered on a little over 25,000 applications.

Maybe, just maybe, everyone is in compliance. Those that kept theirs registered them and everyone else sold them out of state as required. As we have seen since the "SAFE" act was passed (in the middle of the night, without debate, in violation of the state constitution), there has been a tremendous decrease in the crimes committed with these "dangerous" weapons.

Don't you feel much safer now?

FUAC

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Of the "Three Men in a Room" who drafted this piece of.....legislature...., aren two behind bars?

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And the one that signed it should be. How can you "clean up corruption" in Albany as he has promised many times to do when you are one of the biggest offenders. Like father, like son.

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The decisions rendered by the Supreme Court yesterday clearly indicate and show us that the entirety of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and the rights afforded to us within those documents are no longer subject only to interpretation based on 'the rule of law' but subject to interpretation based on social, political and economic considerations.

Given the tortured machinations used by the Court to save Obamacare, not once, but twice, if you don't think gun rights and religious rights can't be 'taken away' you may be in for a

seriously disappointing awakening.

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Plus the Supreme Court has firmly established that they will now legislate from the bench, thus ending the separation of powers we were all taught about in school. In many recent (and sadly some not so recent) decisions they have shown that the Tenth Amendment is a meaningless nothing to them. Sadly it is that amendment that gives both sides of issues like the SAFE act their ability. This sort of ruling creates "constitutional rights" out of thin air without bothering to actually amend the constitution.

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Societies exist under three forms, sufficiently distinguishable: (1) without government, as among our Indians; (2) under governments, wherein the will of everyone has a just influence, as is the case in England, in a slight degree, and in our states, in a great one; (3) under governments of force, as is the case in all other monarchies, and in most of the other republics.

To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the first condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has its evils, too, the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs.

I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.

Thomas Jefferson, 1787

The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The past which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13 states independent 11 years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is its natural manure.

Thomas Jefferson, 1787

The worst of rebels never arm
To do their king or country harm,
But draw their swords to do them good,
As doctors cure by letting blood.

-Samuel Butler