New Rochelle FD New Ladder 12 (Delivered)

[EFD1883 137]

Any updated info or spy shots of/for New Rochelle Fire Department New Ladder Rig?

[Riverside80 6]

I herd Spartan ERV was building the new Ladder. The drawing is posted on Hendrickson Fire Equipments website: http://www.hendricksonfire.com/news-article.php?article=15

From what I understand Spartan ERV builds an impressive aerial device.

[sfrd18 360]

I herd Spartan ERV was building the new Ladder. The drawing is posted on Hendrickson Fire Equipments website: http://www.hendricksonfire.com/news-article.php?article=15

From what I understand Spartan ERV builds an impressive aerial device.

Looks similar to some of Chicago's new Spartan/Crimson aerials.

[EFD1883 137]

Any updated info or updated spy shots of New Ladder 12 of the City of New Rochelle Fire Department?

[Bnechis 3,961]

_{Nope. But it should be here in a few weeks.}

Edited July 11, 2013 by Bnechis

[stixx 7]

alright can't wait to see it in New Rochelle.

[lad12derff 283]

[everybodygoes 331]

Keep rende out of the drivers seat!

[Bnechis 3,961]

training on new ladder

Both deck guns flowing

Deck gun inlet: both side can feed the left or the right deck gun, or both. Or 2 lines can be used. This is independant of the ladder pipe. all 3 can flow 1,000gpm (total 3,000 gpm) if properly supplied.

Double rescue roller (removable)

using rescue roller and windless

Windless

[EFD1883 137]

When will it be going into service?

[Bnechis 3,961]

When its ready

[x635 4,066]

Barry, you've outdone yourself again.

[61MACKBR1 222]

When its ready

And Barry made it perfectly obvious to everyone, by the photos that he posted above, that the New Ladder 12 "Isn't Quite Ready" yet (Barry hasn't applied the New Rochelle FD Lettering on the Truck yet). Start getting that Gold Leaf Paint Brush out Barry ! LOL

[61MACKBR1 222]

On a serious note though - Barry, 'when' the New Ladder 12 goes into Service, is the plans then to have the Current Ladder 12 move over to and become Ladder 13? (and if so, will the current Ladder 13 goes into the NRFD spare pool (as Ladder 14 with the currenet spare ladder being sold) or will New Rochelle sell the current Ladder 13?

[Remember585 815]

How does the incoming LDH know which deck gun(s) it is feeding - is there a valve somewhere on the rig to allow for that selection? And what is the ladder rating?

Cool rig, nice job.

[Bnechis 3,961]

On a serious note though - Barry, 'when' the New Ladder 12 goes into Service, is the plans then to have the Current Ladder 12 move over to and become Ladder 13? (and if so, will the current Ladder 13 goes into the NRFD spare pool (as Ladder 14 with the currenet spare ladder being sold) or will New Rochelle sell the current Ladder 13?

The current 12 will become 13. 13 will become 14 (spare) and 14 will be sold

[Bnechis 3,961]

How does the incoming LDH know which deck gun(s) it is feeding - is there a valve somewhere on the rig to allow for that selection? And what is the ladder rating?

Cool rig, nice job.

there are check valves in the piping and a control valve under each gun (with dual controls - 1 by the gun & 1 by the intake for each).

Ladder is 500 Ibs

thanks

[M' Ave 1,466]

Interesting, and good idea placing deck guns on a ladder like that. Never thought of it, but it makes sense. Since the truck should have the front of the building, it simplifies lower master streams like a multiversal, should that need arise.

[PCFD ENG58 1,085]

That's a old New Rochelle trade mark, there Supthen Tower ladder had one on its side and was used by the operator of the rig.

[LTNRFD 266]

That's a old New Rochelle trade mark, there Supthen Tower ladder had one on its side and was used by the operator of the rig.

Actually that was a City of Rochester idea. The old Supthen was originally ordered by the City of Rochester and they backed out of 1 of 2 rigs on the order and NRFD picked up the contract. Rochester has a lot of 3 story wood frames that would have heavy fire on arrival. The deck gun was used with tank water for a quick knock down as hand lines were stretched.

[Bnechis 3,961]

Actually that was a City of Rochester idea. The old Supthen was originally ordered by the City of Rochester and they backed out of 1 of 2 rigs on the order and NRFD picked up the contract. Rochester has a lot of 3 story wood frames that would have heavy fire on arrival. The deck gun was used with tank water for a quick knock down as hand lines were stretched.

Actually, its a lot older than that:

San Fransisco Tower Water Co.#2

I898 65 foot, Henry H. Gorter Water Tower. Built at the San Francisco Fire Department Corporation Yard

Raised by two Pelton water wheels

Gorter High Pressure Battery turret installed on chassis

San Fransisco Tower Water Co.#1

1902 75 foot Gorter Water Tower

Builder: Henry H. Gorter, San Francisco Fire Department Corporation Yard

Crew: Two firemen on each shift

Service History:

1902 Housed with Engine Co. No. 4, 144 - 2nd Street (horse drawn)

1906 Relocated to 524 - 10th Street due to the earthquake (as unmanned special unit)

1910 with Engine Co. No. 4, 676 Howard Street (horse drawn)

1921 July 21st, with Engine Co. No. 6, 356 - 7th Street (motorized tractor added)

1925 with Engine Co. No. 4, 676 Howard Street

1955 with Engine Co. No. 19, 1300 - 4th Street

1957 with Engine Co. No. 12, 115 Drumm Street

1958 with Engine Co. No. 4, 676 Howard Street

1968 with Engine Co. No. 19, 1300 - 4th Street

1970 with Engine Co. No. 12, 115 Drumm Street

1975 Company disbanded

1975 Transferred to the roster of the Museum

Tractor Combinations:

1921 July 21st, converted from horse drawn to motorized. A 1921 American LaFrance Type 17-6 tractor, registry #3452, shop number, TR-25, was attached to the tower. (TR stands for tractor)

1928 July 27th, 1926 Kleiber, registry #4228, tractor, shop number, TR-29

1929 November 26th, 1926 Kleiber, registry #4229, tractor, shop number, TR-30

1961 January 4th, 1939 Ahrens-Fox tractor, shop, TR-42

1971 March 1st, 1950 Seagrave tractor, shop number, TR-57

1975 Re-coupled to the 1926 Kleiber, shop number, TR-29 and transferred to the roster of the Museum

This is the second water tower built by Henry H. Gorter a machinist at the Fire Department's Corporation Yard. Mr.Gorter built his first water tower, a 65 foot apparatus, in 1898. That first tower was designated as Water Tower Co. No. 1. When this larger 75 foot tower was placed into service in 1902, it took over the designation of Company No. 1. The 1898 unit then became Water Tower Company No. 2. This 1898 tower is also still in existence.

Water towers were ordered to greater alarms of fire at the special call of the Chief. The towers were usually used for fires in large warehouses or at pier fires along the waterfront. They were also used in the heart of the city at fires in the ever growing number of high raise buildings.

All of San Francisco's water towers, there were four in service at one time, could pour a tremendous amount of water onto a fire. In addition to the Gorter nozzle on the tower, there is also a Gorter monitor battery on the chassis deck. The tower nozzle normally carried a 2 ¼ inch tip. The deck battery normally carried a 1 ½ inch tip. When both monitors operate with a 2 ½ inch tip, and are in full operation, they can deliver 3,500 gallons of water per minute onto a fire. Under the tower deck there are two 1 ¾ inch SFFD Square Thread outlets that can be used for hand held hose lines. Water pressure is used to raise the 44 foot tower mast to a perpendicular position. The tower has eight 3 inch inlets to achieve the maximum water flow. However, to raise the mast it is only necessary to have one 3” hose line with a minimum water pressure of 120 pounds. The mast telescope pipe can be extended to 71 feet, and with the correct elevation of the nozzle, water can flow from 75 feet above the ground.

This tower can place a slightly effective stream of water into a 9th floor window and on to an 8th floor roof, a fairly effective stream of water into an 8th floor window or on to a 7th floor roof and an effective stream of water into a 7th floor window or on to a 6th floor roof. The deck monitors can place a fairly effective stream of water into a 3rd floor window or 2nd floor roof and an effective stream of water into a 2nd floor window. The tower nozzle normally carried a 2 inch tip and the deck battery a tip of 1 ¾ inches. Two sets of four nozzle tips, 1 ½, 1 ¾, 2, and 2 ½ inches, are carried on the small water towers.

THIS 75 FOOT GORTERWATER TOWER BUILT IN 1902 IS THE LARGEST STILL IN EXISTENCE IN THE UNITED STATES. There were about 150 water towers built in America, but only five were over 70 feet. This 75 foot tower is the only one of those five remaining.

THIS TOWER WAS THE LAST MANNED WATER TOWER IN THE UNITED STATES when it was placed out of service in 1975. At that time there were other water towers in service in other departments, but they were all in a reserve status and not manned. When Water Tower Co. No. 1 was disbanded, the unit was transferred to the roster of the Museum.

Water Tower No. 1 has been displayed and demonstrated by the Department's muster team at the 70th, 75th and 100th 1906 Anniversary firefighter musters in the City. The SFFD Historical Society has preserved and maintained this unit in its operating condition. This water tower could be placed back into service at any time by the Chief of Department.

1926 Kleiber Tractor:

Builder: Kleiber Company, San Francisco, 11th and Folsom Streets

Continental 6 cylinder, 120 HP with solid disc wheels and hard rubber tires

1914 Washington DC (right behind the driver)

[PCFD ENG58 1,085]

Wow Barry is older then I thought !

[Danger 160]

Fog and a smoothbore on the ladder pipe?

[Bnechis 3,961]

Fog and a smoothbore on the ladder pipe?

We use smoothbore, but carry a fog (if needed)

[RFR 12]

Keep rende out of the drivers seat!

Lieutenants don't drive in New Ro.

[EFD1883 137]

Lieutenants don't drive in New Ro.

2 Rende's on the NRFD job and are both brothers. Lieutenant Mike Rende-Squad 3 Station 1 and Fire Fighter John Rende-Squad 2 Station 2.

[Bnechis 3,961]

2 Rende's on the NRFD job and are both brothers. Lieutenant Mike Rende-Squad 3 Station 1 and Fire Fighter John Rende-Squad 2 Station 2.

& one retired 1 who drove L-12 for many many years

[stixx 7]

is ladder 12 in service yet ?

[EFD1883 137]

is ladder 12 in service yet ?

Negative Not Yet.

[Bottom of Da Hill 76]

Interesting, and good idea placing deck guns on a ladder like that. Never thought of it, but it makes sense. Since the truck should have the front of the building, it simplifies lower master streams like a multiversal, should that need arise.

tarrytowns TL 78 has them also.