Tanker Shuttle/Water Drill: Dover Station #2 area on the grounds of the former Harlem Valley Psch. Center: 10/23/10

[TR54 239]

Great shots Mark, thanks for sharing

Looks like an excellent drill.

[turk182 37]

Any idea on what kinda flow was achieved and maintained?

[JBE 328]

Awesome drill. Guess I am going to have to get up there when I'm well enough to get some pictures of some tankers.

[TCD0415 26]

Any idea on what kinda flow was achieved and maintained?

We moved a Ton of water.... Over 2000 GPM (2200GPM I believe) for over 2 Hours. Quite impressive........

[Bnechis 3,961]

We moved a Ton of water.... Over 2000 GPM (2200GPM I believe) for over 2 Hours. Quite impressive........

1)How many tankers and

2) what was the distance from the fill site(s) to the dump site(s)?

[grumpyff 1,159]

1)How many tankers

9 tankers were used. most carried 3000 gallons. IIRC two only had 2000 gallons

2) what was the distance from the fill site(s) to the dump site(s)?

The furthest fill site was approximately two miles one way from the dump site (4 miles round trip). The other fill site was just across railroad tracks and Route 22, in the former Harlem Valley Pysch Hospital.(less than 1/4 mile one way). Here is a photo I took while being filled to show how close the dump site was. Just follow road straight ahead to the two apparatus in the road to see the dump site. The ladders are just visible above the building:

Edited October 25, 2010 by grumpyff

[markmets415 524]

1)How many tankers

9 tankers were used. most carried 3000 gallons. IIRC two only had 2000 gallons

2) what was the distance from the fill site(s) to the dump site(s)?

The furthest fill site was approximately two miles one way from the dump site (4 miles round trip). The other fill site was just across railroad tracks and Route 22, in the former Harlem Valley Pysch Hospital.(less than 1/4 mile one way). Here is a photo I took while being filled to show how close the dump site was. Just follow road straight ahead to the two apparatus in the road to see the dump site. The ladders are just visible above the building:

great shot, by the time I got to get over there, it was getting picked up, man I wish I knew that was you down at the pond taking shots at the same time I was.

[markmets415 524]

Wassaic 69-31 and tanker from Kent, CT behind them

Millbrook 49-31

Sherman, CT Engine 5

I just noticed you got me in this shot at the rear of our tanker, it was a really good drill, thanks Carl Q (Dover Car 4) Richie G CC-9 and all the members from the departments for taking time out to join us and make it a very successful training event.

[FiftyOnePride 100]

Great pictures Mark!

[turk182 37]

We moved a Ton of water.... Over 2000 GPM (2200GPM I believe) for over 2 Hours. Quite impressive........

Not knowing much about tanker operations that sounds really good.

[markmets415 524]

Great pictures Mark!

I was hoping to see 51-31 there

[FiftyOnePride 100]

I was hoping to see 51-31 there

We would've come, maybe next time!

[Bnechis 3,961]

We moved a Ton of water.... Over 2000 GPM (2200GPM I believe) for over 2 Hours. Quite impressive........

2) what was the distance from the fill site(s) to the dump site(s)?

The furthest fill site was approximately two miles one way from the dump site (4 miles round trip). The other fill site was just across railroad tracks and Route 22, in the former Harlem Valley Pysch Hospital.(less than 1/4 mile one way.

Not knowing much about tanker operations that sounds really good.

If the primary site was less than 1/4 mile, ISO will recalcualte your GPM rate to at least 1 miles which would be 550gpm.

ISO calculates the distance based on the distance from all structures to the water sources in the district. This is why depts with good ratings develop water supplies so one never has to drive more than 1 mile.

[HubEng21 14]

Great pictures, like the Union Vale Tanker!!

4 miles to get water back in the pool... hope you have a radio in those tankers lol.

[bad box 371]

Very nice shots, thanks for sharing them. Question: where do most of the tankers get their water; from municipal hydrant systems within their own districts, or do they need to draft it from secondary sources?

That's "Wingdale" isn't it?

Looks like it was a very productive drill.

Drafted pond water (even if it appears to be fairly clean) generally has a lot of sediment in it. As such, it's a good reason to avoid using a fog nozzle for interior attacks due to partial or complete clogging of the fog tip causing inadequate GPM's being applied to the fire.

Looks like a good shuttle drill.

[Tanker 10eng 140]

Drafted pond water (even if it appears to be fairly clean) generally has a lot of sediment in it. As such, it's a good reason to avoid using a fog nozzle for interior attacks due to partial or complete clogging of the fog tip causing inadequate GPM's being applied to the fire.

Looks like a good shuttle drill.

I always love looking into our ponds after a " tanker call ". you find so many rocks, pebbles, sand and dirt.... I always heard of the joke about fish and frogs... but I have yet to see that...

[FiftyOnePride 100]

I've seen a number of fish before, but never frogs.

[ny10570 745]

Has anyone tried setting up a large scale draft operation like this on the clock simulating actual response times? Curious to see how long it would take.

[markmets415 524]

Has anyone tried setting up a large scale draft operation like this on the clock simulating actual response times? Curious to see how long it would take.

That is exactly what I expressed during this drill, do the evolution just as it would occur if in fact it was "THE BIG ONE". Also record the time required to fill each tanker, the location it was filled, the dump time of each and how many loads for each tanker were dumped during the drill.

[Tanker 10eng 140]

Has anyone tried setting up a large scale draft operation like this on the clock simulating actual response times? Curious to see how long it would take.

When ever we do a tanker drill in the Croton/Yorktown/Millwood area, we always have the units coming to the drill clock their time of travel, so that once it begins, ( we figure time to get to the FH [ 2 to 3 minutes ] + the time for travel ) so that once the IC calls for tankers we have to wait our estimated times before rolling in ( no jokes on rolling )... works good for us...

[markmets415 524]

When ever we do a tanker drill in the Croton/Yorktown/Millwood area, we always have the units coming to the drill clock their time of travel, so that once it begins, ( we figure time to get to the FH [ 2 to 3 minutes ] + the time for travel ) so that once the IC calls for tankers we have to wait our estimated times before rolling in ( no jokes on rolling )... works good for us...

exactly the way it should be done

[Bnechis 3,961]

That is exactly what I expressed during this drill, do the evolution just as it would occur if in fact it was "THE BIG ONE". Also record the time required to fill each tanker, the location it was filled, the dump time of each and how many loads for each tanker were dumped during the drill.

Thats what ISO requires if you want to be credited as anything better than a 9 (or an 8b). If you can make there GPM numbers for your district then you can generally become a 4-6. There are VFD's out there that have. Too bad none in the Hudson Valley have. It validates your department when you can prove you can do the job you claim you can. Plus it reduces everyone in your districts insurance by 24 - 40%.

[Bnechis 3,961]

That is exactly what I expressed during this drill, do the evolution just as it would occur if in fact it was "THE BIG ONE". Also record the time required to fill each tanker, the location it was filled, the dump time of each and how many loads for each tanker were dumped during the drill.

This is what ISO requires if you want your rating to be anything better than a 9 (or 8B). A number of FD's around the country have proven themselves, but none in the Hudson Valley. It validates a department when they can move the amount of water ISO determines is needed in your district to fight a fire. Plus it lowers property insurance by 24 - 40%.

[firefighter59 20]

All I can say is thank God for hydrants in southern Wstchester. lol

[osufire90 18]

Excellent shots! Thanks for posting! Do all the tankers have similar tank sizes?

[grumpyff 1,159]

Excellent shots! Thanks for posting! Do all the tankers have similar tank sizes?

The ones shown here during the drill were all close in size, IIRC the smallest was 2000 gallons, the largest 3000. The come in all sizes. Patterson's engine/tanker, 22-2-3 shown below is 1500 gallons (but was not at the drill), 22-4-2 (Patterson tanker has 3000, and 22-4-1 has 2300 gallons) . In the South Salem New Tanker thread, the tanker just replaced had 3250 gallons.

22-2-3 1500 GPM/1500 gallons

22-4-1 250/2300

22-4-2 1500/3000