FDNY EMS

[masterofmetal85 10]

Anyone know whats the story if FDNY is doing an ALS academy in july for incoming outside medics to get into the dept? I heard its tentative depending on many things and its only done once a year so anyone heard anything

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[ny10570 745]

The PTOP for incomming medics is on for this summer. Things could change, but the city just committed FDNY the money for a new station on the West side of Manhattan, the dept is picking up the Vinny's ALS units, possibly some Brooklyn units, and maybe even an added unit or two in Manhattan to make up for extended transport times now that Vinnys is closing.

Edited April 10, 2010 by ny10570

[masterofmetal85 10]

The PTOP for incomming medics is on for this summer. Things could change, but the city just committed FDNY the money for a new station on the West side of Manhattan, the dept is picking up the Vinny's ALS units, possibly some Brooklyn units, and maybe even an added unit or two in Manhattan to make up for extended transport times now that Vinnys is closing.

Great so now all I have to get past is having the investigators supervisor (who makes the final decision for recruiting)to accept me for the position. Any reason why he/she wouldn't?

( In a nutshell I got fired from only 1 job , i was in two auto accidents, and had a slight altercation w/ newark nj police last year after a metallica concert which landed me a disordely summons . I was told to have statements explaining the circumstances behind each incident along with accident reports court dispositions etc and have them all notoroized and hand them in.)

Anything stated there that could potentially disqualify me or make the recruiter not accept me for any position?

Edited April 11, 2010 by masterofmetal85

[Goose 188]

The altercation with police is going to throw a red flag, for sure. Not sure how lenient FDNY EMS is, but times are changing and less and less is being tolerated. They will probably question you in regards to the termination as well as the car accidents. I know the NYPD does. Anything is fair game for these guys, they will know you better than you know yourself.

My advice is to try and beat them at their own game. Dunno where you are in the process but i would have all of those explanations/depositions and what have you copied into packets. If you need to go to the investigator, psych etc. give them each a packet when you go for said interview. Being upfront and forward is going to only help you. Thats the advice i got from a close friend for the NYPD process.

Again, i don't know how FDNY handles these things, so the above may or may not be totally applicable. I think generally, though, you need to make sure you have all your "t's" crossed and you're "I's" dotted and make sure you stay out of trouble.

Edited April 11, 2010 by Goose

[masterofmetal85 10]

The altercation with police is going to throw a red flag, for sure. Not sure how lenient FDNY EMS is, but times are changing and less and less is being tolerated. They will probably question you in regards to the termination as well as the car accidents. I know the NYPD does. Anything is fair game for these guys, they will know you better than you know yourself.

My advice is to try and beat them at their own game. Dunno where you are in the process but i would have all of those explanations/depositions and what have you copied into packets. If you need to go to the investigator, psych etc. give them each a packet when you go for said interview. Being upfront and forward is going to only help you. Thats the advice i got from a close friend for the NYPD process.

Again, i don't know how FDNY handles these things, so the above may or may not be totally applicable. I think generally, though, you need to make sure you have all your "t's" crossed and you're "I's" dotted and make sure you stay out of trouble.

I got pinched at one job for something stupid which wasn't my fault in Sept 08 I was working in a small private pharmacy I had a family emergency one night and wasn't able to show up for work the next day and i had no way of contacting the owner so i called out in the morning as soon as the store opened. The next time I showed up for work I was fired in a not so nice way.

The nj summons I was coming out of a concert in Feb 09 where I just broke my ankle and me any my friend were driving away in my car when we were stopped by a traffic cop or whatever she was, I assumed she worked for the arena and was just directing traffic I just wanted to get to a hospital after sitting with a messedup ankle for 2 hours and just yelled and cursed at her she flipped out and a chaos ensued which ended up with me getting the summons 20 min later.

So I wrote all this into different statements with more details had them notorized and handed em in hopefully theyll see past the black and white parts and just see the grey area in this

[wierdid 2]

I got pinched at one job for something stupid which wasn't my fault in Sept 08 I was working in a small private pharmacy I had a family emergency one night and wasn't able to show up for work the next day and i had no way of contacting the owner so i called out in the morning as soon as the store opened. The next time I showed up for work I was fired in a not so nice way.

The nj summons I was coming out of a concert in Feb 09 where I just broke my ankle and me any my friend were driving away in my car when we were stopped by a traffic cop or whatever she was, I assumed she worked for the arena and was just directing traffic I just wanted to get to a hospital after sitting with a messedup ankle for 2 hours and just yelled and cursed at her she flipped out and a chaos ensued which ended up with me getting the summons 20 min later.

So I wrote all this into different statements with more details had them notorized and handed em in hopefully theyll see past the black and white parts and just see the grey area in this

Employers dont like to hear about how things "werent your fault". Whether it was or wasnt does not matter. Just accept responsibility for your mistakes and if it works out then great, if not then just keep your nose clean from now on and keep on trying.

[masterofmetal85 10]

Employers dont like to hear about how things "werent your fault". Whether it was or wasnt does not matter. Just accept responsibility for your mistakes and if it works out then great, if not then just keep your nose clean from now on and keep on trying.

I guess you must be one of the people that sees things in only black and white

[Goose 188]

I guess you must be one of the people that sees things in only black and white

Dude, thats how the people that will be looking at you're application will be. You have to understand that. No one here can tell you if you are going to make it through or not. You definitely don't need to outline you're past here, but just know that these things are going to be considered, especially the incident regarding the summons and verbal altercation with the police officer.

The best anyone can tell you is to be honest about it, don't pass the buck. You made you're choices and now you have to live with them. We are all human and naturally flawed.

That said, don't sweat it. If you get through great, if not maybe you can try again or broaden you're horizons. FDNY EMS is not, after all, the be-all-end-all EMS agency.

Edited April 12, 2010 by Goose

[INIT915 1,119]

Due to the size of the applicant pools that NYPD and FDNY deals with, the problems you listed most likely will not have as negative an impact as it might in agencies that are able to devote more time and labor to background investigations. It's just the nature of a large organization without enough resources.

When a friend of mine told me that he provided his NYPD investigator with names/contact info for his neighbors in Putnam County so they could be contacted by phone, I was floored. All he had to do was pick/choose neighbors he's friendly with.

[nfd2004 750]

I completely agree with Goose and weird. They are correct. Have your facts together and be ready to admit "YOUR MISTAKES". I did several oral interviews in Connecticut for Entry Level Firefighters. One of the questions we used to ask was "tell us about your biggest mistake in life, and what did you do to correct it".

Honestly, my friend, I don't know you but just from a few of your responses, about "Not my fault", etc., it appears to me that you just may need to work on your presentation. We all make mistakes. Nobody is perfect. But your story has a few questionable negitives. I certainly wish you the best of luck though. But be ready to accept what you have to.

[masterofmetal85 10]

I completely agree with Goose and weird. They are correct. Have your facts together and be ready to admit "YOUR MISTAKES". I did several oral interviews in Connecticut for Entry Level Firefighters. One of the questions we used to ask was "tell us about your biggest mistake in life, and what did you do to correct it".

Honestly, my friend, I don't know you but just from a few of your responses, about "Not my fault", etc., it appears to me that you just may need to work on your presentation. We all make mistakes. Nobody is perfect. But your story has a few questionable negitives. I certainly wish you the best of luck though. But be ready to accept what you have to.

I never said it was not my fault and passing the blame etc

yea I was fired for not showing up for a day of work but the reason behind is not because I decided to take a day off and go to the beach I had a family emergency that night and had no method of alerting the owner of the pharmacy that I will be unable to come one so there was (i felt ) a good enough reason to not show up ( I did call out early that morning but apparently not good enough)

Yea I cursed out a cop for stopping my car while I was trying to get to the hospital with an ankle that was broken for 2+ hours was I wrong sure I was did she overact, absolutely especially since she called for an 10-85 or whatever newark cops use and my car was surrounded by RMP's and then when I identified myself as an EMS her exact words "Shut the *^%& up you're gonna sit there and suffer" (real professional) and then threatened I was gonna be arrested and giving me the summons was letting me off easy. Every NYPD officer I ask whether I know them or total strangers say that was overkill and a slap on the wrist/verbal warning would have been enough but thats the difference between NYPD and cops elsewhere NY police officers actually do work and bust their a** and know the difference between bs and the real deal.

So I'm not portraying the victim here but I'm also trying to ration that it was just a series of unfortunate circumstances that I got involved in, but I learned valuable lessons from them which is what life is about and I feel that these petty situations/circumstances shouldn't be the judge of my character and prohibit from obtaining a decent to good job like working for FDNY

[JAD622 40]

I was trying to get to the hospital with an ankle that was broken for 2+ hours

I'm just curious, why did you wait for over 2 hours with a broken ankle to go to the Hospital?

[PEMO3 523]

I guess you must be one of the people that sees things in only black and white

As many people have suggested to you here, be ready to own up to your actions as "your actions". Justifying them will only appear to shift blame. As far as your statement "I guess you must be one of the people that sees things in only black and white" understand one thing with city agencies like FDNY everything is black and white. If you let a statement like that slip out in an interview you will most likely be looking for work with a transport service. Good luck with your interviews - be honest and accept blame but that does not mean you have to bend over either.

Best of luck.

[paro22 1]

I never said it was not my fault and passing the blame etc

yea I was fired for not showing up for a day of work but the reason behind is

did she overact, absolutely

it was just a series of unfortunate circumstances that I got involved in

In the grand sceme of things, these 2 isolated occurances do not appear to be related to a major character flaw that would necessarily bar your employment from FDNY.

However, your reactions & justifications seem to imply that if you were in the exact same position again, you would react the same way ('I only swore - and I had reason to swear - and SHE overreacted' etc). That is not what any interviewer would want to hear. Whatever your personal feelings are, you must present these stories with the realization that you were young, foolish, and did something wrong that you regret. If faced with these situations again, you would act differently. You learned to keep a cool head under pressure, and realized the value of being dependable and reliable (skills which, undoubtably, relate well to EMS work).

Best of luck!

[Goose 188]

The bottom line dude is that it's going to come up in any interview you conduct with the FDNY, just be prepared to field the questions in a thoughtful, intelligent and mature manor. Avoid sob stories, they don't care.

I would seriously consider making up those packets i mentioned and handing them to anyone you have an interview with (especially the psychologists). It will display honesty and maturity, at the very least.

Good luck.

[wierdid 2]

As someone who sees things in only "black and white", I agree.

[masterofmetal85 10]

I'm just curious, why did you wait for over 2 hours with a broken ankle to go to the Hospital?

150$ front and center metallica ticket you'd have to drag me out in a body bag to get me to leave plus i was with a friend and we were separated when the injury occured so he would have been stuck looking for me (he had his phone in the car) plus I'm not familiar with jersey hospital systems etc so all those reasons combined made me feel it would be better to wait until the shows over and hit up a hospital in staten island on the way home... Most painful 2 and a half hours ever making me wonder several times during the concert if the band is really worth the pain just to see them.

[masterofmetal85 10]

As many people have suggested to you here, be ready to own up to your actions as "your actions". Justifying them will only appear to shift blame. As far as your statement "I guess you must be one of the people that sees things in only black and white" understand one thing with city agencies like FDNY everything is black and white. If you let a statement like that slip out in an interview you will most likely be looking for work with a transport service. Good luck with your interviews - be honest and accept blame but that does not mean you have to bend over either.

Best of luck.

Thanks for the good advice it'll definitely be duly noted

[masterofmetal85 10]

The bottom line dude is that it's going to come up in any interview you conduct with the FDNY, just be prepared to field the questions in a thoughtful, intelligent and mature manor. Avoid sob stories, they don't care.

I would seriously consider making up those packets i mentioned and handing them to anyone you have an interview with (especially the psychologists). It will display honesty and maturity, at the very least.

Good luck.

If I'm not mistaken on the EMS side of FDNY there's only one interview with the investigator (which I did and handed him all the necessary paperwork on the incident that occured) there's only a psychological test no interview with a psyschologist (I could be totally wrong) and then after that a full head to toe medical evaluation.

[wierdid 2]

If that is the case then you are all good (supposing you pass all the tests). In the future I would not suggest publishing all or some of your faults on an open forum. But maybe I am just a little too paranoid or thorough? Good luck.

[ny10570 745]

You only see the psychologist if they have questions about your psych evaluation.

For filling the class they just keep processing people until they have enough. I've heard of people going in for their psych and agility the week before they were sworn in.

[masterofmetal85 10]

If that is the case then you are all good (supposing you pass all the tests). In the future I would not suggest publishing all or some of your faults on an open forum. But maybe I am just a little too paranoid or thorough? Good luck.

well no not really step 1 is passing the physical which I did step 2 is meet with the investigator and fill out the packet they hand you at the physical test which requires a SS earnings statement notorized statements regarding whatever happened in your past accident reports pretty much anything and everything about you it wasn't even an interview he just took it from me went over it and saw what I was missing gave me a check list and told me to bring it back to him. To get to step 3 the psych test, the investigator turns over all his work to his supervisor/boss who makes the final decision on whether or not I'll be hired/accepted for the academy (so it's actually someone I never even met who makes the final call) then after the psych test is step 4 a full check up/medical evaluation this is the whole process from what I gathered by asking around.

[masterofmetal85 10]

I never said it was not my fault and passing the blame etc

yea I was fired for not showing up for a day of work but the reason behind is

did she overact, absolutely

it was just a series of unfortunate circumstances that I got involved in

In the grand sceme of things, these 2 isolated occurances do not appear to be related to a major character flaw that would necessarily bar your employment from FDNY.

However, your reactions & justifications seem to imply that if you were in the exact same position again, you would react the same way ('I only swore - and I had reason to swear - and SHE overreacted' etc). That is not what any interviewer would want to hear. Whatever your personal feelings are, you must present these stories with the realization that you were young, foolish, and did something wrong that you regret. If faced with these situations again, you would act differently. You learned to keep a cool head under pressure, and realized the value of being dependable and reliable (skills which, undoubtably, relate well to EMS work).

Best of luck!

I totally forgot to mention about 10-15 minutes after we got let go I was heading towards the hospital in SI when I told my friend who was driving to stop and flag a passing NYPD RMP I told em I was an EMS MOS hurt and they didn't even think twice they flipped up the lights and escorted us straight to the doors of hospital 62 SI university north ER and 3 and half hours later when I was all casted up we took a quick ride over to 7 11 on New Dorp and saw the exact same RMP sitting in the lot we walked over to them ( I hopped with a crutch) and told em what happened in NJ, (my friend is a DSNY worker and he was actually cuffed and put in the back of RMP in jersey because he was begging the female newark cop to let us go and to understand that i was hurt, i dont know what im saying, etc so because she told him 3 times to shut the car off they dragged him out and cuffed him) so we gave the two officers who helped us a brief run down of what happened and they were shocked that Newark PD took it that far. Basically we learned the hard way that having a city job and being outside of NYC ( and apparently being injured) doesn't mean s*** especially in nj.

Edited April 13, 2010 by masterofmetal85

[prucha25 76]

If I can ask why are you still going on about what happened? It happened bro, get over it, at the end of the day in the eyes of the people who are hiring you they were right and you were wrong. I suggest following the advice of the previous members who gave some. You don't need to justify yourself on here and blast another PD on an open forum for a single isolated incident. We all have run ins with each other, it happens. Hopefully you can present a good representation of yourself to your investigators, and if not like Goose said FDNY EMS is not the end all be all, there are plenty of EMS agencies to work with.

[nfd2004 750]

I think some very good points have been made here concerning "any" person looking to get on a civil service job whether it is police, fire, or Ems etc. You wear a uniform representing the dept. For anybody, if you've made mistakes, own up to them. And then understand whatever you do on the outside always falls back on your fellow workers. If you're on the fire dept, don't make them all look bad if you get yourself in trouble. Same for Police and EMS. They are respectible jobs that most people respect and look up to.

As a new Probie or Rookie, if you want to get a bad reputation among your fellow workers, brothers etc, just start blaming others for your mistakes. It sure won't go over well. And don't think any boss wants to hear about how great you are, and everybody else is wrong. And they sure don't need some probie or rookie telling them how to do their job.

These are some of the most rewarding careers anybody can have. They don't just give these jobs away. For anybody who gets one of these jobs today be very greatful.

Maybe I got alittle off track here, but I for one, respect these group of heros myself.

[masterofmetal85 10]

I think some very good points have been made here concerning "any" person looking to get on a civil service job whether it is police, fire, or Ems etc. You wear a uniform representing the dept. For anybody, if you've made mistakes, own up to them. And then understand whatever you do on the outside always falls back on your fellow workers. If you're on the fire dept, don't make them all look bad if you get yourself in trouble. Same for Police and EMS. They are respectible jobs that most people respect and look up to.

As a new Probie or Rookie, if you want to get a bad reputation among your fellow workers, brothers etc, just start blaming others for your mistakes. It sure won't go over well. And don't think any boss wants to hear about how great you are, and everybody else is wrong. And they sure don't need some probie or rookie telling them how to do their job.

These are some of the most rewarding careers anybody can have. They don't just give these jobs away. For anybody who gets one of these jobs today be very greatful.

Maybe I got alittle off track here, but I for one, respect these group of heros myself.

Amen