Kent's New Tanker

[texastom791 31]

Below is a link to U.S. Tanker with pics of Kent NY's new 4,000 gallon tanker a friend of mine who is in Kent said that he thought it was either coming today or tomorrow .

http://ustanker.com/apps/apparatusdetails....apparatusid=251

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LARGE

[SRS131EMTFF 471]

That things is huge...how much is it expected to weigh when fully loaded?

[MFVFD179 0]

Huge to say the least.

[Guest jblazing56]

We the rumors that going around Kent Fire house is tonight or tom. Yes it is huge but it will serve the purpose it was built to do. As most of you know Kent does not have any hydrants so we must bring our water with us. So this 4000 gallon water tanker plus our 2000 tanker and I our Mini (beast from the east) engine will be bring a total of 6500 gallons of water with them. As most of you know with that amount of water brought right away a good amount of fire can be put out if used the right way. When it does arrive there will be more pictures added. Hopefully it will make it to the front of the website.

[TRUCK6018 50]

That things is huge...how much is it expected to weight when fully loaded?

8.3 pounds per gallon of water x 4000 += 33200 pounds. Add the 30000 pound or so stocked chassis. Chances are the rig will be well over 60,000 pounds. If it's over 80,000 pounds you need an over weight permit on it.

[Dondestro 9]

hummm looks just like putlakes!!,,,,,i like the inclosed crosslays though

[subband 0]

congrats guys... we will look forward too taking all that water on our next big fire......

[brian19fd 22]

As it was pointed out to me, are there any hook ups for 5inch?!? Doesn't seem to have any?!?

[JBE 328]

How is that thing gonna make some of the hills out there??

[x635 4,066]

Wow!! Looks awesome! This is clearly a TANKER that's designed to carry water first and foremost, not like many tankers you see being delivered that sacrifice precious tank size in order to make it a "pumper tanker".

Also, great firepower bringing 4,000 gallons of water to it's first due on intial attack....sure to save some lives and property during it's lifespan with KFD. Smart move on not "skimping" on tank size. Also, knowing some of the FF's at Kent, I'm sure there will be extensive driver training given this vehicle has very specific and unique driving requirments.

How is that thing gonna make some of the hills out there??

HUGE and powerful motor, coupled with a great transmission tied into a large rear diff. And, air and "jake brake" to stop. This chasis is designed to haul anything anywhere! However, as I eluded to before, from what I'm told this tanker will adhere to a strict speed limit and driving protocols.....

As it was pointed out to me, are there any hook ups for 5inch?!? Doesn't seem to have any?!?

5" Stortz off the rear officer's side.

[Bnechis 3,961]

Wow!! Looks awesome! This is clearly a TANKER that's designed to carry water first and foremost, not like many tankers you see being delivered that sacrifice precious tank size in order to make it a "pumper tanker".

The best Tankers are ones with the highest GPM rating not total tank size. The extra water is great if thats enough to handle the initial attack, but once you get into shuttles larger tanks that take longer to fill and longer to unload, also mess up the smooth flow at both the fill and dump sites. After calculating how much water can be driven 200 feet, dumped, driven 200 feet..... plus driven 200 feet refilled and driven another 200 feet. is used along with a milage chart to calculate how much water can be delivered per miute (GPM) per mile.

Smart move on not "skimping" on tank size.

Maybe, but some times its better to spend the money on getting a more manuverable vehicle so it can go back for more water.

HUGE and powerful motor, coupled with a great transmission tied into a large rear diff. And, air and "jake brake" to stop. This chasis is designed to haul anything anywhere!

Great it can move and stop, can it stay on the road? Thats why most tankers roll.

However, as I eluded to before, from what I'm told this tanker will adhere to a strict speed limit and driving protocols.....

The FDSOA (Fire Dept Safety Officers Assoc) and NFPA 1901 Committee are suggesting that tankers should not have lights and sirens since they can not e driven as an emergency vehicle safely.

5" Stortz off the rear officer's side.

What about top filling, its proven to greatly improve the tankers GPM and refuce the number of FF's needed at the fill site (so they can actually fight the fire).

[markmets415 524]

Nice job, and I thought our tanker was big. Nothing like having that amount of water sitting on scene when the attack starts, nice work.

[nhfd241 4]

Nice Tanker Good luck with it

Edited October 4, 2008 by nhfd241

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The FDSOA (Fire Dept Safety Officers Assoc) and NFPA 1901 Committee are suggesting that tankers should not have lights and sirens since they can not e driven as an emergency vehicle safely.

Interesting concept.

[JBE 328]

The FDSOA (Fire Dept Safety Officers Assoc) and NFPA 1901 Committee are suggesting that tankers should not have lights and sirens since they can not e driven as an emergency vehicle safely.

I dunno, I could see that if it was a tanker like a tractor trailer design. Most tankers I've seen in my experience are of the smaller length variety.

[stephen morea 1]

Why shoudln't tankers have lights and sirens, they are emergency vehicles. In a rural area 4000 gals. are vital and should be able to tell vehicles it is coming up on to get the out of the way. If a driver is not smart enough to figure out what he is driving and what he can and cannot do with it he should not be a driver, plain and simple.

Edited October 4, 2008 by stephen morea

[Dondestro 9]

No foldatank....IS this going to be used just as a nurse tanker?!? also what if another tanker dosen't roll and a folda tank is needed? We have a 3000gal foldatank on a tanker with just 1750gal, do they have 5000 gal folda tanks? just wonderin

[grumpyff 1,159]

Looks like a nice functional and thought out piece of apparatus. Hope it brings many years of reliable service to your department.

No foldatank....IS this going to be used just as a nurse tanker?!? also what if another tanker dosen't roll and a folda tank is needed? We have a 3000gal foldatank on a tanker with just 1750gal, do they have 5000 gal folda tanks? just wonderin

Yes Fol-Da-Tank does offer a 5000 gallon folding pond. Here is their website: http://www.foldatank.com/

As with any tanker, you have to be aware of its extra weight and size compared to other fire apparatus as I am learning. The first time a drove Patterson 22-4-2 (3000 gallons and seen in my avatar) I learned real quick it takes a while to stop, and you have to slow down on the turns, more so that in an engine or rescue. Unless you are getting an escort I believe tankers should have lights and sirens. Granted you are not going to be exceeding the speed limits, but it may help you maintain the speed you are travelling at. It is not going to save you any time coming and going to the water source, but it does alert other drivers that you are requesting the right of way. If they fail to yield, get the license plate and notify law enforcement. Tankers should be operated by the more experienced drivers in the department, it is not the apparatus to learn emergency vehicle operations on.

Edited October 4, 2008 by grumpyff

[mfc2257 464]

As it was pointed out to me, are there any hook ups for 5inch?!? Doesn't seem to have any?!?

5in where? At the pump?

Standard direct tank fill on most tankers country wide is dual three inch from the rear....

[16fire5 693]

The best Tankers are ones with the highest GPM rating not total tank size. The extra water is great if thats enough to handle the initial attack, but once you get into shuttles larger tanks that take longer to fill and longer to unload, also mess up the smooth flow at both the fill and dump sites. After calculating how much water can be driven 200 feet, dumped, driven 200 feet..... plus driven 200 feet refilled and driven another 200 feet. is used along with a milage chart to calculate how much water can be delivered per miute (GPM) per mile.

Maybe, but some times its better to spend the money on getting a more manuverable vehicle so it can go back for more water.

Great it can move and stop, can it stay on the road? Thats why most tankers roll.

The FDSOA (Fire Dept Safety Officers Assoc) and NFPA 1901 Committee are suggesting that tankers should not have lights and sirens since they can not e driven as an emergency vehicle safely.

What about top filling, its proven to greatly improve the tankers GPM and refuce the number of FF's needed at the fill site (so they can actually fight the fire).

I think a lot of that definition of best comes from what makes a good ISO tanker. I think most tankers that perform well in a shuttle are 2000 gpm and under. A lot of departments have made the decision that bringing a lot of water to the fire and putting it our before a shuttle is the only realistic way to save a structure. Few would argue much property is saved once the incident transitions to a shuttle operations. I wouldn't discount ISO totally becuase a better rating saves people money but the reality of low manpower rural departmens is that a initial attack backed by 4000 gallons is there best chance. The tanker safety issue is a whole different story and I tend agree with FDSOA and NFPA 1901. Anyone that gets LODD notifications and reads the NIOSH reports knows that tanker rollovers are still killing to many firefighters.

[nhfd241 4]

5in where? At the pump?

Standard direct tank fill on most tankers country wide is dual three inch from the rear....

5 inch storz off the back officers side

[Bnechis 3,961]

I think most tankers that perform well in a shuttle are 2000 gpm and under.

The biggest performance issue with shuttles is that all tankers, need to load and unload at the same rate, otherwise you end up with tankers waiting in line.

The problem is every dept buys something different. Standardization is more critical here than anywhere else

[Guest jblazing56]

To answer some question on the tanker. Yes there is a 5inch direct connect off the back of the tanker. Also there are no crosslays on this tanker all the hose is going to be rolled up on the passenger side in a compartment. This is strictly going to be a tanker.You guys are correct there is going to be very strict driver training on this vehicle. Also the motor and transmission has a built in anti roll feature with will actually apply the brakes if the truck starts to feel like it is going to roll.

To answer the comment about putnam lakes tanker yes it is the same company and some of the specs are simialr it was bought through the same dealer.

As far as tanker shuttles the reason we went with a big truck like this that carries lots of water cause some of our roads are difficult to get two tanker or engines to pass each other. So with the tanker and our other tanker(2000gallons) we will be bring a lot of water with us to the inital attack. The reason there is no foldup pool on it is our other engine has a 2000 gallon tank and a 2000 gallon pool and if you know our area most pools can not be set up because of the terrain.

[dadbo46 50]

While tank size is crucial, the ability to get in, dump, run, fill and return is just as important.

When I was chazirman of our truck committee to purchase a new tanker back in the '90's, we detrmined that a 2,500 gallon tanker with a powerful engine a rated pump with a folding tank equal to tyhe tank size would serve us well. It was NFPA compliant and.....painted red !

It has worked well.

[Bnechis 3,961]

Why shoudln't tankers have lights and sirens, they are emergency vehicles. In a rural area 4000 gals. are vital and should be able to tell vehicles it is coming up on to get the out of the way. If a driver is not smart enough to figure out what he is driving and what he can and cannot do with it he should not be a driver, plain and simple.

Since dozens are rolled every year, the belief is that there are a lot of drivers out there that are driving to fast, particularly on rural roads.

[markmets415 524]

It was NFPA compliant and.....painted red !

It has worked well.

I know is was a J/K but vehicle color puts no fire out. Way to go with something other than RED!!!! , Bottome line the Kent FD are the only ones that need to be happy with the tanker, the reasons why they built it the way it is, is because it fits their needs.

[markmets415 524]

Since dozens are rolled every year, the belief is that there are a lot of drivers out there that are driving to fast, particularly on rural roads.

Exactly, we have only a limited amount of drivers for our new tanker as well; they are mostly drivers that operate larger type vehicles for a living and respect what they are driving.

[brian19fd 22]

5in where? At the pump?

Standard direct tank fill on most tankers country wide is dual three inch from the rear....

5" intake or discharges... I did find the rear 5" tank fill, but i didnt see any discharges... I am unsure is kent is big with the 5" hose, but seems more depts are starting to use it; plus more water can be taken/given in less amount of time with the larger hose...

*Either way, Best of luck to Kent FD, and just know the Falls is always here if you need additional help on the scene lol!!!

Edited October 4, 2008 by brian19fd

[Reliance 29]

5" intake or discharges... I did find the rear 5" tank fill, but i didnt see any discharges... I am unsure is kent is big with the 5" hose, but seems more depts are starting to use it; plus more water can be taken/given in less amount of time with the larger hose...

In our department any one who wants to drive anything over a 1/2 ton or utility van has to pass a drivers course by the department, a class 3 cdl from the PNS RMV and an air brake endorsement.