Yonkers FD 2 New ALF T/L Deliveries

[61MACKBR1 222]

I have heard that Yonkers Fire Department will be taking delivery today, Monday, August 18, 2008 of 2 New ALF LTI 75" Mid Mount Tower Ladders, to replace the current TL 71 (YFD Headquarters on New School Street) and current TL 75 (at Station 12 on Fortfield Avenue).

Not sure what plans YFD has for the 2 current rigs (TL 71 is a 1999 ALF LTI rig; TL 75 is a 2002 ALF LTI rig). Yonkers currently is using a 2001 Micro Rehab of a 1990 Mack CF/Baker 75' Tower Ladder (Tower Ladder 77).

Maybe Yonkers will sell off the current TL 71 and current spare TL 77 at Auction and take the current TL 75 and make that the New Spare TL 77?

Does anyone have any updates on this today and will anyone be posting any photos of these 2 new rigs today on EMTBravo?

[efd184 59]

They can always take the to Superior!!!

[AndyC3J 190]

I'm certainly no expert, and don't know how Yonkers operates, but common sense would suggest that they dispose of the oldest ones, and keep the current 71 and 75 as spares when the replacements enter service.

I, too, look forward to photos of the newbies. Hopefully someone will provide some.

Curious question.....is there a reason why they continued to stay with a 75-foot aerial, as opposed to one of the larger sizes?

[R1SmokeEater 359]

I'm certainly no expert, and don't know how Yonkers operates, but common sense would suggest that they dispose of the oldest ones, and keep the current 71 and 75 as spares when the replacements enter service.

I, too, look forward to photos of the newbies. Hopefully someone will provide some.

Curious question.....is there a reason why they continued to stay with a 75-foot aerial, as opposed to one of the larger sizes?

-Keeping 71 & 75's current rigs.

-The 95's are too big and require a larger jack zone than most of our neighborhoods.

[AndyC3J 190]

Ahh, I see.......thanks for clarifying. Good luck with the new units when they arrive.

[batt2 145]

Saw them with YPD Traffic Unit escort on Tuckahoe Rd...

[JRS2817 1]

anyone got pictures yet?

[CPAGE 2]

Maybe a new Ladder Company coming to a neighborhood near you. Ladder 76 could make a come back.

good luck guy's enjoy the new trucks.

[x635 4,066]

I believe that the main reason that TL-77 is being retired is due to firefighter safety, since it still has an open cab. I think another reason is due to fleet consistency and maintainence issues.

I'm sure it will be missed, however, by numerous YFD members.

[Res1cueLT 20]

Bat2, Chief-How's the specs' on your new Battalion cars coming ??

[Res1cueLT 20]

I believe that the main reason that TL-77 is being retired is due to firefighter safety, since it still has an open cab. I think another reason is due to fleet consistency and maintainence issues.

I'm sure it will be missed, however, by numerous YFD members.

-and it's almost 20 years old, and beaten up good !

[Res1cueLT 20]

Pix.......

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/565525835NpQmTR

[RPM3311 3]

Are these really necessary? I have seen some rigs that were heavily beat up and still being used...IE the FDNY rescues (2, 3, 4, & 5). Ladder 71 is only a 98 and Ladder 75 is a 2002, they don't seem like their in bad shape.

[BFarr156 0]

Are these really necessary? I have seen some rigs that were heavily beat up and still being used...IE the FDNY rescues (2, 3, 4, & 5). Ladder 71 is only a 98 and Ladder 75 is a 2002, they don't seem like their in bad shape.

Yes they are both necessary in the scope of setting up our reserve and spare apparatus. Add that the dept currently tries to run a program to replace front line apparatus every 8 years. That being said, 71 is now 10 years old and 75 is going to hit the 8 year mark in two more. So, IMO, it is more cost effective and efficient to order two at once, instead of ordering and receiving 71 and now to have to start the process of ordering 75, so it can replaced at the 8 year mark.

Currently our only spare/reserve Tower Ladder is an open cab 1990 Mack that has seen better days and has been refurbished once already. It has happened on occassion that both 71 & 75's front line rigs have been down at the same time, only leaving the spare Mack as the only Tower Ladder available for the city. For the safety of the members of the YFD and the citizens of Yonkers, a rig, be it front line, reserve, or spare should be in top working order and not a question mark every time you go to start it or use it at a job.

The idea is take one of the current Tower Ladders and make it a fully equipped Reserve apparatus (which can be put in service very quickly) and the other one will become a spare apparatus (not fully equipped).

Before anyone raises the question of which rig is going to be designated what when they are taken off the front line, that is up to D/C Fitzpatrick to determine.

Edited August 19, 2008 by BFarr156

[JFLYNN 681]

Are these really necessary? I have seen some rigs that were heavily beat up and still being used...IE the FDNY rescues (2, 3, 4, & 5). Ladder 71 is only a 98 and Ladder 75 is a 2002, they don't seem like their in bad shape.

Are you asking a question or giving an opinion???

Well anyway, we need new TL's for all the parades we go to...wait, we don't go to parades...

I guess we need TL's in good condition to safely transport our Firefighters to roofs and upper floors of burning buildings, to remove trapped civilians, to put large volumes of water on fires...all of which we do fairly regularly..."heavily beat up" just won't cut it for us...the condition of FDNY Rescue apparatus (or your opinion of their condition) could not be more irrelevant...

[JRS2817 1]

very nice trucks and good luck with them Yonkers

[RPM3311 3]

Are you asking a question or giving an opinion???

Well anyway, we need new TL's for all the parades we go to...wait, we don't go to parades...

I guess we need TL's in good condition to safely transport our Firefighters to roofs and upper floors of burning buildings, to remove trapped civilians, to put large volumes of water on fires...all of which we do fairly regularly..."heavily beat up" just won't cut it for us...the condition of FDNY Rescue apparatus (or your opinion of their condition) could not be more irrelevant...

Hows that irrelevant? I'm comparing the tower ladders to trucks that are pretty much falling apart and still going on 10-15 runs a day across a city to tower ladders that don't seem as beat up and are being replaced 5 to 10 years after they were put in service. All I was trying to get was an answer to why they need to be replaced when they are not too old and worn out.

[ny10570 745]

Why should members be riding around in vehicles that are falling apart? The reserve fleet should be full capable of stepping in to replace out of service apparatus without sacrificing safety of affecting operations. Half of FDNY's problems come from manufacturer and maintenance issues that keep many front line vehicles out of service. With the FDNY replacement cycle by the time a rig makes it to the spare pool its usually toast. So now you have well worn vehicles working even harder than they should be. Thats not a level of performance depts should be striving to attain. Thats about as close to the bottom of the barrel you would want to go. Ideally you take a rig off of front line service before it has reached the end of its service life so that it can still be useful. By the way, whats worn out about the Rescues? They're all '06/'07 if I'm not mistaken and still look to be a pretty good shape.

[SRS131EMTFF 471]

Why should members be riding around in vehicles that are falling apart? The reserve fleet should be full capable of stepping in to replace out of service apparatus without sacrificing safety of affecting operations. Half of FDNY's problems come from manufacturer and maintenance issues that keep many front line vehicles out of service. With the FDNY replacement cycle by the time a rig makes it to the spare pool its usually toast. So now you have well worn vehicles working even harder than they should be. Thats not a level of performance depts should be striving to attain. Thats about as close to the bottom of the barrel you would want to go. Ideally you take a rig off of front line service before it has reached the end of its service life so that it can still be useful. By the way, whats worn out about the Rescues? They're all '06/'07 if I'm not mistaken and still look to be a pretty good shape.

FDNY Rescue Companies have 2002 E-One/Saulsburys with the exception of Rescue 1's 2007 Pierce Arrow XT

[dillondotcom 16]

I am a member of the FDNY. The Rescue rigs are in great shape. Not at all beaten up. We replace our rigs every 10 years. When they reach the end of that cycle, some are beaten up, but most of them are in fine condition to be used as a spare. Because we are a busy department dosent mean we beat the crap out of our rigs. They are well maintained and taken care of. As for Yonkers getting two new rigs. I agree that it is a good idea to get two new ones, and take the current ones out of service while they are still in great shape to use a reserves. Its a shame that most departments have to wait until a rig is beaten and falling apart before getting a new one.

[JFLYNN 681]

Hows that irrelevant? I'm comparing the tower ladders to trucks that are pretty much falling apart and still going on 10-15 runs a day across a city to tower ladders that don't seem as beat up and are being replaced 5 to 10 years after they were put in service. All I was trying to get was an answer to why they need to be replaced when they are not too old and worn out.

It's irrelevant because FDNY does not set the standard for us as far as apparatus goes...and it's irrelevant because you're comparing Rescue apparatus to Tower Ladders...and it's irrelevant because you have your facts wrong about the age and condition of both the FDNY and the Yonkers apparatus you refer to...

it's also a bit annoying to read a thinly veiled criticism of our department coming from an 18-20 year old from New Jersey...

[FirNaTine 370]

It's irrelevant because FDNY does not set the standard for us as far as apparatus goes...and it's irrelevant because you're comparing Rescue apparatus to Tower Ladders...and it's irrelevant because you have your facts wrong about the age and condition of both the FDNY and the Yonkers apparatus you refer to...

it's also a bit annoying to read a thinly veiled criticism of our department coming from an 18-20 year old from New Jersey...

Chief, you should know by now that the young generation of today knows everything. Just ask them they'll tell ya.

[jack10562 414]

Here's the real deal...These trucks never rest.

Let's take a look at the statistical record for the run numbers these trucks have: (from YFD.org)

I would imagine these numbers do NOT include routine inspections and training activities...

........... LT-71 . LT-75

yr 2006: 1851 1853

yr 2005: 1799 1605

yr 2004: 1799 1601

3yr Total:5449 5059

Do the math to figure out the totals after nine years!

I wonder how long Engines last???

Fleet maintenance will be happy!

Good luck to YFD with your new trucks!

[Guest]

It's irrelevant because FDNY does not set the standard for us as far as apparatus goes...and it's irrelevant because you're comparing Rescue apparatus to Tower Ladders...and it's irrelevant because you have your facts wrong about the age and condition of both the FDNY and the Yonkers apparatus you refer to...

it's also a bit annoying to read a thinly veiled criticism of our department coming from an 18-20 year old from New Jersey...

Chief after being in a FDNY TL company, I think that the FDNY needs to take a look at the Yonkers replacement policy when it comes to TL's (7-8 replacement instead of 10), so that there won't be so many tl companies running around with rearmount aerials when they have a spare. Good luck with them.

[Guest]

I am a member of the FDNY. The Rescue rigs are in great shape. Not at all beaten up. We replace our rigs every 10 years. When they reach the end of that cycle, some are beaten up, but most of them are in fine condition to be used as a spare. Because we are a busy department dosent mean we beat the crap out of our rigs. They are well maintained and taken care of. As for Yonkers getting two new rigs. I agree that it is a good idea to get two new ones, and take the current ones out of service while they are still in great shape to use a reserves. Its a shame that most departments have to wait until a rig is beaten and falling apart before getting a new one.

Dilliondotcom I have news for you, the present rescue rigs in service and used by R 2,3,4, and 5 are NOT in great shape. They are falling apart.

[Guest TOYBUFF911]

I am a member of the FDNY. The Rescue rigs are in great shape. Not at all beaten up. We replace our rigs every 10 years. When they reach the end of that cycle, some are beaten up, but most of them are in fine condition to be used as a spare. Because we are a busy department dosent mean we beat the crap out of our rigs. They are well maintained and taken care of. As for Yonkers getting two new rigs. I agree that it is a good idea to get two new ones, and take the current ones out of service while they are still in great shape to use a reserves. Its a shame that most departments have to wait until a rig is beaten and falling apart before getting a new one.

I don't know if that is correct. I have a friend in Rescue #1 and they have been with out the 2007 Pierce rig for 4 months now and they are out of service every day because the spares are unsafe crap according to him.

[AndyC3J 190]

What would the taxpayers say if they heard Yonkers was buying two brand new rigs to be designated spare/reserve apparatus? The "stuff" would hit the fan, for sure! Replacing the front line rigs with new ones and having spare apparatus that is not all that old and still in good working order makes sense. Good for them!

Best of luck with the new rigs, Yonkers. When's the wetdown? (that's a joke!)

[FirNaTine 370]

Nice looking Ladder Towers YFD. Good Luck with them.

[Danger 160]

That looks like a relatively short wheelbase for a tower ladder. Well spec'ed for the city streets. Everyone who is so embroiled with how new YFD vs. FDNY's fleets are should write to their congressman and ask for more grant money. Maybe they could donate the FDNY TL Co's some of the 9 million TL's in Westchester that are within a mile of each other and protect districts with exclusively single family residences.

[JFLYNN 681]

That looks like a relatively short wheelbase for a tower ladder. Well spec'ed for the city streets. Everyone who is so embroiled with how new YFD vs. FDNY's fleets are should write to their congressman and ask for more grant money. Maybe they could donate the FDNY TL Co's some of the 9 million TL's in Westchester that are within a mile of each other and protect districts with exclusively single family residences.

That is an excellent point!