Baltimore City FD Truck 1 Vs. Baltimore PD Car

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If anyone is not a member of FirePics.net, it's definetly worth it to sign up. It's a forum for Emergency Vehicle enthisiasts, and consists mainly of threads with apparartus photos. You need to be a registered member to view the photos.

Anyway, check out the damage on the Baltimore City Seagrave ladder, which collided with a Baltimore City Police car, both while responding to seperate incidents. I don't know about injuries, but I hope everyone is OK.

http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/index.php?showtopic=5009

The damage is quite significant considering it was a police car that struck it.

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I should mention, I've heard Truck 1 is either disbanded temporaily or running with a spare Engine or car- as there's no available spare ladder.

(Photo by Hungrybus)

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[Guest]

635, do you have to pay to be a part of that forum?

[Guest partyrock]

How can they be out of trucks? That looks like a fairl new truck, where is the one it replaced? What about when rigs go out for PM or break downs? Don't they have a truck or two around for trainning?

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How can they be out of trucks?  That looks like a fairl new truck, where is the one it replaced?  What about when rigs go out for PM or break downs?  Don't they have a truck or two around for trainning?

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From what I understand, Baltimore's aerial fleet is aging, and some of the new Seagrave ladders are having problems. The spare/reserve pool has been used up by other companies. And some of their first line/reserve/spare trucks are purchased used from other departments.

Here is a sampling of Baltimore FD's truck fleet:

http://rides.webshots.com/album/441275606LCxhwR

As for 66's question, I beleive they recently institued a $2 fee, to help support the large amount of bandwith they go through. Worth it IMHO if you're into fire apparatus.

[RWC130 594]

If that is the Ladder ... WOW!

What does the Police Car look like?

[Future Fireman 4]

From what I understand, Baltimore's aerial fleet is aging, and some of the new Seagrave ladders are having problems. The spare/reserve pool has been used up by other companies. And some of their first line/reserve/spare trucks are purchased used from other departments.

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Better Speced rigs and better quality rigs would eliminate those problems, as well as NEW apparatus. However, if I remember right, Baltimore's mayor refuses to give more money to the FD for new Apparatus.

Mike

[Oswegowind 17]

from other accident pics i have seen on ffclosecalls.com and similar sites, this doesnt look that bad. however, how did a copcar broadside a firetruck. i mean, they are big, red, and have lights and sirens. was this at an intersection? en route to a call? returning? this pic needs alot of information before intelligent comments can be posted.

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a: Very easily (broad side)..going too fast would be one of the easiest ways...mis-communication in the intersection between the two units...I thought you said "go".

b: The original post sts they were both responding to separate incidents.

c: Accidents happen...unfortunately this was 2 emergency vehicles, glad everyone was okay and the ladder did not roll over cause as we saw in Chicago, it ain't that hard for a vehicle to be broad-sided in the right spot and someone end up badly injured or even dead!

[Future Fireman 4]

from other accident pics i have seen on ffclosecalls.com and similar sites, this doesnt look that bad. however, how did a copcar broadside a firetruck. i mean, they are big, red, and have lights and sirens. was this at an intersection? en route to a call? returning? this pic needs alot of information before intelligent comments can be posted.

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Dude, you need to read Seth's first post more carefully.

Mike

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wow, looks pretty bad. will the BCFD just get a new rig or have the current wrecked rig repaired?

[grumpyff 1,159]

from other accident pics i have seen on ffclosecalls.com and similar sites, this doesnt look that bad. however, how did a copcar broadside a firetruck. i mean, they are big, red, and have lights and sirens. was this at an intersection? en route to a call? returning? this pic needs alot of information before intelligent comments can be posted.

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It happens.. It almost happened to me in Pleasantville a few years ago in the old Rescue 47. I had the green light at the intersection, and was turning to the right. PD Thought he was faster/or thought he had the right of way and went throught the red light, responding to the same incident. I stomped on the brakes so hard the Capt ended up on the dashboard. Never assume another emergency vehicle sees/ hears you, and will stop. I always respond with the drivers window open a hair to hear other emergency vehicles sirens. PS I let the captain handle that one up the chain of command.

Edited May 18, 2007 by grumpyff

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from other accident pics i have seen on ffclosecalls.com and similar sites, this doesnt look that bad. however, how did a copcar broadside a firetruck. i mean, they are big, red, and have lights and sirens. was this at an intersection? en route to a call? returning? this pic needs alot of information before intelligent comments can be posted.

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I stated the facts as I knew them when I posted. Police Car and Fire Truck collide enroute to call.

It's common knowledge, or at least I thought it was, that intersection accidents with other emergency vehicles while responding are a signicant hazard (that's why we come to a stop and look at lights)

Baltimore is an old, old city, with many blind intersections, hills, and difficult inner urban areas. Fire, EMS, and PD responses are numerous each day.

The following was published in the Baltimore Sun:

A Baltimore police officer driving his cruiser was injured this morning in a collision with a city fire engine and a civilian vehicle in East Baltimore, police said.

The officer was heading east on Monument Street, with his emergency lights and siren activated, when the accident occurred about 12:30 a.m. at Greenmount Avenue. The fire engine was headed north and also had its lights and sirens on, police said. The police cruiser careened off of the fire truck and into a Lincoln LS that had pulled over to make room for the truck, police said.

Officer Troy Harris, a police spokesman, said the injured Eastern District officer was rushed to Maryland Shock Trauma Center, where he was treated for a broken ankle and a displaced hip. The fire truck's driver was taken to Mercy Medical Center for treatment of minor cuts. The person in the civilian vehicle was not injured, Harris said.

Harris could not immediately say if both police and fire vehicles were responding to the same emergency call. The accident was under investigation.

[Guest partyrock]

I really like seeing the increased activity out of some of you younger guys, but you need to look around a little more before you post. Emergency Vehicle vs Emergency vehicle collisions are a big issue. Especially in urban environments where guys could be comming from anywhere. Police chases are another high risk situation. Then there's the lightshow convoy that we find ourselves in from time to time. If anyone infront of us has a problem, we will undoubtably become involved.