grumpyff

Taking lessons from Nanny Bloomburg? What's next banning trans fats and smoking?

I've heard through the grapevine that Scarsdale has had some problems with their apparatus committee, resulting in a poorly written spec that provided no bids. Maybe moving to something like this unit, specced by a large progressive dept. would make it easier on them to get newer apparatus that is needed. Looking at the photo I'm guessing 1500/750?

You hit the nail on the head, it's all about $$$$$$.. How about the fund that was set up to help first responders and recovery workers taht to date has spent $0 on sick people, but spend more on administrative costs/salries and denies every claim submitted. I' m having a brain fart as to the name of the fund, it was in the papers a while back. I don't expect everything to stop on the Eleventh, but there should be some type of rememberance, even if it is just a moment of silence/rememberance. I know my kids school had a moment of silence, my daughter said it was only like 15 seconds long. Most people who were not directly affected by it have moved on and, and often feel everyone else should too. Personally September 11 did not effect me until the beginning of 2003. I became very withdrawn...I didn't want to go out(avoided places with large number of people), stopped responding to alarms, avoided friends and family, avoided anything with 9/11...movies, tv shows, newspaper and magazine articles, and even some of the threads on this board. It got to the point where my wife packed up the kids and left. I was only happy at work around people that I had worked with in the months after Sept 11. I finally got counseling both through Project Liberty, Police Organization Providing Peer Assistance, and a pyschologist. I was able to get back to together with my wife, who thought I was having an affair with my female partner, since I seemed to be happiest around her. In reality I was unable to talk to my wife about what I had been through and seen on the Pile, and in the Pit of Ground Zero, but felt that my partner would understand since she had gone through the same things at work. The medical problems began later in 2003.. the loss of sensation of smell, constant sinus infections, always feeling sick, high fevers with sweating enough to soak the sheets and blankets on the bed while getting the chills at the same time. Over time things have gotten better medically, I had surgery in November 2006 to clean out my sinuses (I know a few others from my command who have had to have the same procedure). I have regained some sense of smell, and have not gotten a sinus infection since. September 11 still feels really fresh to me., like it happened yesterday, but then again I dealt with it everyday for almost a year. I was at the site shortly after 7 WTC collapsed, did 12 to 16 hour days for two months after, and through the remainder of 2002 spent a good amount of time either on the Site security detail, or assigned to the recovery operations. Everyday at work I see the faces of the twenty three NYPD officers who lost their lives on that day. One, Ray Suarez, worked in my command until March of 2001, Mark Elllis from TD-04 I saw often, usually relieving him at 125/Lexington until the midnight tour could get there, and Glen Pettit from the Academy. The same with the posters for FDNY and Port Authority PD, as I know several people from both departments who did survive that day. I am sure that if I was not in the NYPD or some other emergency service (i.e. Joe Blow civillian) I would not have the same feelings about September 11 that I do have. Last year I wrote a Criminal Court summons, and the return date was 09/11/06. The person i gave the summons to was a cook. He flipped out about the return date, that he had to work that day, until I snapped and told him "What, I didn't know anyone that died that day? I'll see you in court, after I get out of the memorial service". Not another word was said, and I never had to appear in court. Here is a link to Police Organization Providing Peer Assistance (POPPA): http://www.poppainc.com/

NYPD tends to overreact in the name of saftey.. thats why perp goes to hospital, even though the majority of Sgts out there could handle the barb removal. Having the doctor remove them does nothing to affect the chain of custody, just like having a doctor prepare a rape kit, the PO does not have to been the room when the kit is prepared.. Just make sure to document doctor name, title, etc. NYPD only Sgt or above can carry Taser, except ESU, which is supposed to get clearance from ESU supervisor, if posssible, before using. During the training, the taser is used on volunteers, however the barbs are disengaged from the unit, and only stun-gun (cattle prod) part is used. The person who volunteers to be the test dummy gets caught by two others so they do not fall to the floor.

If EMS protocol prohibits the removal of "impaled object", why would we let an untrained Police Officer remove them? I agree that a minor should definitely go to the ER. Is the PD there that short handed that one officer could not ride in the ambulance with SHAC to the hospital? Or was PD afraid that this might escalate at a hospital where it could be difficult to control the situation. If that was the case, then call on mutual aid, either County PD, The State, or neighboring towns, I'm sure they would have no problem coming to back up another officer in need. . SHAC got stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one. They were in no position to argue with PD, the patient is PD's responsibility, even if they(PD, not SHAC) disregard the EMS policies of the state. The best thing the EMT could do is write it all in the PCR, that PD decided that a trip to the ER was necessary. Document everything, names, times, shield numbers if needed, and have the officer, or in this case, the Chief sign the paperwork. Then after the call advise your chain of command, and have them contact your attorney and keep them in loop. Later on, after thing have cooled down, the headsd of both agencies could have a meeting to discuss what happened that night, and ways to prevent it from happening again.. Why is the public going after SHAC, I really don't know? Do they honestly think that EMS providers have some magical control over PD? While they do have concerns in this case, it makes their argument seem foolish to protest SHAC. Honestly, it would only take the officer a minute or two to get the perp's info, and then go back to the stationhouse, and prepare any forms that are needed. The only thing that would be delayed by having the perp/patient at the hospital would be fingerprints. I don't know how fingerprints are done up here in Westchester, but the NYPD uses Livescan, a computerized fingerprint system. No ink is used, it is all done on optical readers, and electronically sent to Albany, and the city database. I have had fingerprints approved anywhere from 4 minutes to an hour ( In Manhattan, fingerprints must be approved by Albany before you can lodge your prisoner).

Like the shirt says, " If you can't stand the heat....become a police officer".

Many still walk a solo beat in the NYPD. The higher ups have the attitude that there is an adjoining post to assist if help is needed. I personally have done solo trains runs through the Bronx, riding the subway after 10 pm by myself from 110/Lexington to Brooke Ave. Some bosses see this as a perfectly acceptable way to cover greater areas, as help is just a call away. Now Seth states the PO was in a car, he may have been returning from a detail, or droppped another PO and prisoner off at Bronx Central Booking. At least he was honest, about not knowing the subway/busses. I am seeing a lot of new officers coming to the NYPD from Jersey/ Pennsylvania, even South Carolina and are not familiar with NYC mass transit. When I was in the academy I had an instructor tell us " Just send them in any direction, they will figure it out on there own". If the officer was walking a foot post, I would say he was not going to leave his post, because if something happened on his post while he was walking them to the subway, that would be the first thing the boss would ask, "Where were you?" they don't care about helping people. At Compstat, the Captain/ Lieutenant will be grilled as to why this crime happened, was there a post assigned there, why wasn't this crime prevented. I speak from experience, A few years ago, my partner and I locked someone up for smoking crack, Criminal Possession Controlled Substance 7, PL 220.03, a misdemeanor. About an hour after the arrest, while in the Transit District, awaiting fingerprints to be verified by Albany, a robbery happened on our post. The first thing that was asked by the boro command, was "where was the post that was assigned there?" Inspections came to our command, and pulled our memo books to see where we were, and when was the last time a supervisor had come to 'scratch our boooks'. Let me tell you, the tone was not "Oh, you had an arrest", it was more like "was this arrest really necessary". Unfortunately the CPR slogan needs to be painted in every Captain's/Lieutenants office, as some reallly treat their officers like crap. When your are incurring overtime, they do not want to hear that you are getting more OT because you stopped to help a stranded tourist. Not only does the dept. track crimes at Compstat, they also track anything you can think of, OT included. Some bosses act like the OT is coming out of their own pockets, and try to keep it down as much as possible to make themselves look better.

For the NYPD, if the Taser is used, the perp goes to the hospital. The barbs are removed there, and then vouchered as evidence. I do not understand why you would not want to take a prisoner to the hospital. God forbid something happens to that person while they are in your custody...you are responsible. Even if you had a paramedic remove the barbs in the field, and later on it gets infected, you know that the perp, and his lawyer are going to make a point of being denied access to a medical care...the doctor.

Yeah every time I put my Nextel near the Minitor II, it sets it off. Only problems I've had is dropping one in the sink, and the other was running it over with a truck.

Sept 10, 2007 at 2115 hours

I have seen this done with older engines to prevent overheating while pumping. Mostly with Macks that had V8, and cab was retro fitted to enclose the back. That rig did not look that old. Wonder if that would have any effect on warranties, and or dept. insurance.

I know the NYPD's Citywide Vandals Task Force has/had thermal imaging cameras for a few years now. They use them in the subway tunnels to search for graffiti artists/other unauthorized people in the tunnels. Very easy to hide in the dark tunnels, but no way to hide the heat from your body.

The Hope Hose AH from a muster at Croton Point Park (1989?) only picture I have of it...

Keep PD/EMS/FD separate. All have different concerns, and finding people to do one job is hard enough, learn something like being a paramedic, after working a tour on patrol. Plus I have been on EMS calls For Overdoses, where the patient did not want to speak about which drug they took out of fear of being arrested. (Been on both sides of calls like that, PD and EMS).

From today Journal News : Putnam may lose ALS . I saw it in a news rack this morning, on the front page. Hopefully more people will begin to question what is going on in Putnam County, and force the legislators to do something. If ALS dissappear, I will vote against any incumbent come November.

Yes, the Putnam County HazMat is ex-FDNY, or so I have been told on another board. Here it is as Putnam County BOES Hazmat 1 ( not the best photo either) if you want to compare to above..

Izzy , Just to clear something up, I was not commenting on the mutual aid engines. Early on in the video an engine is shown, the one the guy with no turnout gear stretched a line from. It looked like it was set back real far from the building, farther the needed, even if the structure collapsed. Noy sure if a master stream would have done much, as most of the fire appearred to be in the rear of the structure. From the video it is unclear what was behind their house, if any apparatus could be placed there. At least mutual aid departments were called quickly. When I was in Pleasantville, we did have an alarm in one of our buildings, D.P. Hayes Hose, up in the old Village around 1999/2000. The was some confusion at first as to which house it was, even though it was called in by one of our members who found the thermostat had melted and was smoking, if I remember correctly. Sure it was not anywhere near what this department went through, but we handled it like any other job....profesionally. How many of us have sprinklers in our firehouses? They might have contained the fire in this case to a more manageable size, and/or protected the apparatus, but that might be best left to a discussion in another thread.

Kind of hard to push several tons...Truck itself is most likely 20,000+pounds+500 Gallons of water (8.3 pounds per gallon)+tools/equipment+hose. I did hear one member calling for a tow truck, but at that point I think it was too late. I was also wondering why the first due engine was so far away, posssibly to leave room in case they did get the engine in the house started, but watching the video a second time, there was plenty of room to get in closer. I understand an alarm in your own house will cause emotions to run high, but It looks like all sense went out the window here.

Here is a short video of a bambi bucket operation: or go to youtube and search ' Bambi Bucket'. NYPD also has bambi bucket, though not sure how far they will travel with it.

Ah, that explains Westchester DES website that has Ladder 39 reserved for KAtonah. That truck willl see lots of use around the area.

This site covers Youngstown, Ohio , and surrounding areas. Similar to EMTbravo, but has a larger section devoted to apparatus. Links to union pages, scanner feeds, etc. Click on forums to see the board. http://www.youngstownfire.com/

Found a photo of ex-Somers L-51 (ex-Larchmont) on line at another website out Youngstown, OHIo, I will also post a link to the site under the Sites worth visiting section, if it is not already there. Link to photo.. http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums/index...6.html#msg31516

Thanks, makes sense since I recently got a photo of Yorktown' L-51 at Mt Kisco. Photo of L-18 from Somers was taken in 2002 at a used fire apparatus dealer http://www.efiretrucks.net/ it is no longer listed there, so I do not know where it went.

Aside from the crooked front door, or is the door straight and the building crooked.. Given the age of the age of the building, what type of construction is it, is there potential for extension through voids,or ballon framing? What kind of access does the first crew in have to the basement? Is the a secondary way out if things go bad? I do not see any windows on the front of the building. Also the foundation has the appearance of stone/brick, not concrete..haow stabile will it be under fire load? Now add in water streams..what affect will that have on the foundation? What kind of renovations have been made to this structure during its lifetime that can affect its stability/strength? If there is extension will my crews be able to access the roof if needed with the wires close to the front of the building? On the left side of the building is that a fire escape just barely visible...what condition is it in.. Are residents self evacuating on it?

I worked with a guy whose last name was Ing. On our old roll call system it listed probationary POs as PROB., so I working with PROB Ing.