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Maybe EJS can answer this one. When Putnam 911 broke off from the Sheriff's office why did they not continue to use the 40 Control designation? Did it remain with the Sheriffs office?

Maybe Pleasantville can buy it when Pelham is done with it, and remount it to their current chasis/body Back on topic, I cant wait to see Tower Ladder 3 return on a single axle. Very interesting development. Some will argue that todays new dual axle rear ends stop better and turn almost as tight, but the single can get into some rear tight areas.

closer shot of BLS 4

I think they are just looking at the options to see what's out there. They also have the Escape hybrids. Central park Pct has/had a Prius before and i IIRC. An Accord hybrid. Just look at the Dodge Charger, we bought a few when they were all the rage, and that was it. Still mostly Impalas.

The M7 was # 4049 IIRC. Has decent amount of damage. Heard it will take awhile to fix

For a first time , those are great, I wish some of my photos were that good. I especially like the silouettes in the fourth photo.

I am always amazed at the quality of your photos, they are excellent. As for the placement of an incoming ladder, usually the engine does not have to move that much further to be out of the way, depending on the location of the fire in the building, and the direction of the incoming ladder. I was always taught, either pull past the building, or stop short, you can always add hose to a line, but not ladder to the aerial, (although I did have one officer tell me you can always carry a ground ladder ). Think about it, one length of hose, 50 feet gives a lot of room for an incoming ladder to position in front of a structure.

Sure, you have my permission to use them on your website.

Kind of off topic, I know I had post photos of the first open house at Circleville 2 years ago, but I can't find them. Here is a link to the ones I posted on another site: http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums/index...pic,8143.0.html I know last year, the town would not allow people to enter the wharehouse due to problems with the C of O, so the group that sponsors the event, pulled everything that would start outside Back on topic, the photos are great, although I would not want to be on the the tiller in this cold weather.

The Andy Leider collection in Circleville, NY. Next Open House is scheduled for June 6, 2009, with a rain date of June 7. (According to info posted on a another site) Last count has over 400 apparatus stored there. All are in private collections.

If you can post the serial number, I'm sure plenty of people will be able to figure out where this beauty came from. Makes sense to buy an older but well maintained/rebuilt apparatus for a third due piece, instead of spending huge amounts of money on something new.

I know when I came up from the south of where the aircraft was tied up, I thought I smelled some jet fuel in the marina behind the World Financial Center. Also saw several seat cushions still floating there as well (almost 24 hours after the crash).

I was down in Battery Park City on Friday Jan 16, 2009. I walked over to the area the aircraft is tied upto. It is roped off, and the usual media circus was all around. The plan is to lift the remains o f the aircraft onto a barge, most likely later today (1/17/09) I managed to get a few photos of FDNY, and NYPD standing by. Engine 96 and Engine 1 were also present. ESU Truck 1 MCC2 F96 (MF87-01)

Part ofthe 25/55 pension I believe is to bring NYC into line with the IRS. There has been some discussions about the IRS investigating public pension funds, and setting a nationwide standard, similar to most retirement pensions that require an age of 62 to 65 years. look here at this website: http://www.napo.org/legislative-update/IRS...formation08.htm

I was working when this occurred. The initial reports over NYPD Transit radios were for a "Level 3 mobilization for a small plane down around West 46 street and 12 Avenue, in the Hudson River." A few minutes later the dispatcher stated, "reports of 40 to 50 passengers". Only when we turned on 1010 WINS did we hear it was 151 passengers. Gotta love the initial dispatch info, but I guess it was mostly taken from the numerous 911 calls from drivers along the Henry Hudson Parkway that saw it. As for the birds, one news station was saying the force a bird like a Canadian goose plus the speed of the aircraft results in something like the force similar to 10,000 pounds dropped from 10 feet that shatters the fan blades within the jst engine, which then cause further damage as the piece are sucked further into the engine itself.

Rest in Peace. I hope the other three brothers make a quick and full recovery from this accident.

Patterson, 656 for Fire and EMS

Found out about the Gary, Indiana cuts to emergency services on another board. It is disgusting to think of this happening anywhere in this country. Cuts involving almost half of the city's fire apparatus, and reductions in manpower to dangerous levels. Here are links to a few articles: http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/200...4aa000afcab.txt on EMS cuts: http://www.fdnntv.com/news.asp_Q_articleID...oposed_Job_Cuts an editorial supporting the cuts: http://nwi.com/articles/2008/10/06/opinion...4d7007bf0ae.txt Read this editorial, it is scary, especially the cuts already made, 15 apparatus to 6 or 7.

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The point is, the same things were said back in '95 about the 3 police depts, "Its not needed, things are fine, there are no problems." As volunteer, one that formerly volunteered in Westchester (just look at my signature), is there really a need to have a separate deparment/fire district every few miles. Not sure in a county wide system, or maybe a more localized grouping say North/South Westchester, or three zones to start. You hopefully end up with more manpower, and less apparatus at scenes. You could save money on bulk purchasing/reduction of apparatus/ even buildings. I not saying that ever town/village would lose their firehouse. For example, going on the department where I volunteered for 15 years, Pleasantville. Does Pleasantville really need 2 firehouses with 3 engines, a tower ladder, a recue-pumper, a tanker, a utility, and three chiefs (and cars) to cover 2 square miles, plus its fire protection districts. Add in Thornwood to the south with 1 house, 2-3 engines, a tower ladder, a rescue-pumper, a utility, it chiefs and cars. Don't forget Chappaqua to the north, with its 2 houses (I think one is just storage for equipment), with its 2 to 3 engines a tower ladder, a rescue, and its chiefs and cars. So for three towns covering what 15 to 20 square miles (not sure of the exact area, I'm just guessing) you have almost 9 to 10 engines, 3 tower ladders, 3 rescues , a tanker, 9 chiefs cars, 5 houses and 2 to 3 utility trucks. How much does it cost to purchase/maintain/fuel/replace all this equipment? Do these departments have the manpower to staff all this apparatus? I'm not picking on these departments, just using them as an example , but I would to say during the day, NO. At night, most likely not. The few members that do show up would only have to worry about staffing 1 maybe 2 apparatus, not 17 (not counting utilities/chiefs cars). The point is, even if these three merged, you could cover the same area with what 3 to 4 engines (1 could be a spare) a rescure, a tower ladder, the tanker, and 2 to 3 chiefs cars out of three houses. So, in a nutshell you save what 5 to 6 engines ( with a replacement cost of approximately $500,000 each), 2 tower ladders (approximately $1,000,000 a pice), two rescues ( again about $700,000 each), loose 6 chiefs cars (35,000 each). Just in apparatus you are looking at saving almost 8.3 million dollars. Now you also save money on reduced fuels costs, insurance, maintenance, equipment (fittings, hose, tools radios,) for each apparatus. Add in reductions in the physical houses, lees insurance, less electric/heating costs plus you now longer have to plan on upgrades to roofs, windows, etc. Selling the properties would also gain money in the short run. By the way the department I currently volunteer in, Patterson, covers a vastly larger area than Pleasantville, but our budget is the same, or less. So tell me again, why consolidation is not needed?

Consolidation can be done, it just has to studied, and effectively planned out. The ball needs to get rolling . And to those that say it can't be done, or its not needed, one just has to look back to 1995, when the NYPD, the Transit Police, and the Housing Police, effectively consolidated into one department, the NYPD. Some of the old Transit cops I work with have all said that the merger was talked about for years, but no one ever really took it seriously, until the "Hostile Takeover" as the Transit guys called it, actually happened. At the time Transit PD, was the fourth or fifth largest police department in NYS.

Some doctors really think you can just talk to people to get them to stop. Last month I took a perp to the Bellevue CPEP, brought in after being secured in the 'burrito bag' by ESU. After an intial triage in the ED, the restraints were removed, and was then secured to the bed with handcuffs, and leg shackles. After waiting over an hour the perp starts to scream " I gotta take a dump" (editted to avoid colorful language prohibited on this board ) The doctor in charge finally came out to see what the problem was. She then ordered my to let him use the restroom, to which I promptly refused. She told me that was 'inhumane'. I then told her "it took 4 of us to handcuff him on the middle of a subway platform, and another four ESU officers to secure him at the stationhouse. I'm here by myself, I am not going to be able to secure him by myself." After a few minutes of discussion I agreed to take the stretcher inside the secure area of the CPEP ward, along with 4 Hospital police officers, and two attendants. Things went smoothly, but it was tense. I've also had perps take swings at doctor in other cases after they ordered one set of handcuffs removed (perp had both hands secured to the bed due to violence). I thought it was the greatest thing to see a doctor get hit, and then promply tell me to put the second set of cuffs back on.

I know they wanted to bid on Patterson's new rescue, but had to decline due to existing work load.