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Most people's first reaction is to get out of harms way, and then head to the safety of home. Via train, car, bus, taxi etc, these are the people will be seeing in Westchester/Putnam/Rockland etc. We have all seen how long it is to get Metro North, Amtrak, NYCTA Subways to shut down service on one track when a person is struck by a train. Call and ask to shut down the entire system, it will take a while. Just remember the #2 Subway stops just blocks Mt Vernon, with nearby Metro North Trains, and Westchester Bee Line buses. The #5 subway to Dyre Ave is just as close to Mt Vernon, but with less connections to mass transit. From midtown Manhattan to Mt Vernon only takes a few minutes if you catch the trains right, Harlem to White Plains in 20 minutes. How many people did you see on 9/11 who ended up walking out of lower Manhattan covered in dust? Thousands. If NYC Emergency Services (FD/EMS/PD) are busy handling the situation, there is not going to be a lot they can do to 'shut down the border' to Westchester. During 9/11 precincts like the 50 Pct (Riverdale) were busy trying to close the Broadway Bridge and cover sensitive targets within their area such as churches, mosques, synagogues, schools, guns stores, and other predetermined area while still answering all the normal calls they get. Car Accidents, sick people, alarms sounding will still be coming in if the 911 call center is not totally overwhelmed at that point. People act like $%^$holes at crimes, car accidents, etc when you tell the road is shut. Try it during a terror attack, I bet any attempt to contain contaminated people to one area will be next to impossible. The point is people who have been exposed to whatever(chemical, biological, radiological) during a terrorist incident in NYC will almost definitely make it to our areas. Some symptoms make take just hours to appear, others maybe days. The difficulty breathing call hours after an incident, is it someone with asthma stressed out, or someone exposed to anthrax? Skin burns from a explosion/fire or from radiation? You will not know until you get on scene and start you assessments. Then what? A train discharges it passengers in say Bronxville at 11 am on a Tuesday, within a hour of terrorist attack in lower Manhattan due to PD/government calling for mass transit to shut down. On that train may hundreds of people who are contaminated or exposed to an incident. How many people will be able to respond? How long to someone realizes that there maybe a problem? What are the handful of police officers not responding to the NYC Border going to do with a large crowd of scared and panicked commuters now dumped off it a small village? How many of those responders know how to handle decon? Getting scared yet?

Activate PASS to alert others, ans start towards the closest exit with the victim. Hopefully we can make it to an area with with cleaner air. If our SCBA run out before we can exit the structure, I would remove the facepiece and stay low as possible while still attempting to remove the victim. A little smoke isnt gonna kill you. Just curious to the different viewpoints of our British counterparts

Thanks for the photos Bnechis. Looks like a very interesting unit. My point about the TurboDraft was the manufacturer says it can work up to 250 feet from the water source, but what happens further than that point. I'm sure at 300 to 350 feet you will still get some water, but how much? I guess if you could fill a portable pond, and then utilize another turbodraft and trash pump to go even farther.

Wonder what his friends call him? Yo doo doo!

I was working and knew it had to be something big to disrupt service on the A line. Came over transit radio as heavy smoke in the system blocking view of the signals. Now I can see why.. 207 street station the last stop is underneath/in front of this building. You can see the elevator in on photo

Just got my first look at the scene on Google Maps (been busy at at work and sick family at the same time) Not sure Turbo draft would have worked behind the structure it may be too far from the water to the engine, maybe down Twin Lakes Road enroute the scene. It may be a marsh area, not sure of the height and distance from the road to Oscaleta Lake, and water level in the lake at this time of year. Under the ideal conditions you can get upto 800 gallons per minute, at worst, 150 gpm. Bnechis, would you be able to post photos/video of the hydraulic pump set up you have. It definitely has peaked my interest.

Patterson (Putnam Co.) Had approx 890 fire and ems combined

While I was working in plainclothes, "need a unit to check 135/St. Nicholas for suspicious male white 5 foot 8 inches with a bright yellow shirt, tan shorts, standing near the tunnel entrance." My reply, "MTP 86 to central, thats me. I'll call you on the landline." A supervisor had to come out anyway to verify that it was me. I was playing the station for fare evasion, and that was the best spot to hide and still see the turnstiles. Even in plainclothes, I really didn't blend in

Central, "I need a unit to check and advise on a ..." Unit " I'll chicken and fries on that central." Also Central "I need a unit for Times Sq, report of an EDP running naked thru the station "post 19 central, any further description?l Central" Male white, no clothing given" right on cue someone played a sound bite from tje movie Airplane! "Ever see a grown man naked?

True, but they are mostly for directing traffic, crowd control, and securing a scene until law enforcement can take control. IIRC in class they are told that under the law they can make an arrest, but it is better to notify a police officer to handle the situation if an arrest is needed. If they make the arrest, they will have to meet with the DA's office and testify in court if need be. Very few fire police officer's are going to do this on their own time. As far as buffing, I have buffed several jobs, it is best if you keep your mouth shut, eyes open, and stay out of the way. I recently was at a scene where a homeowner was in full panic attack since I took a photo of a fire dept. operating on the outside of her house. It was easier to just to just walk away apologizing for the stressful problem she was experiencing, than to try and justify the reasoning for taking photos. Freelancing drives me nuts. We all have seen or experienced it. Its worse when a M/A chief is the one leading it, beacause "he is the chief, and its his guys". When you come on a scene, the IC is responsible. I'm not talking about other chiefs taking on a role such as operations, or water supply. I've seen too many chiefs roll into a scene, and report to the IC, "Dept XXXX is here," and then decide to take on a function or job for his crew such as ventilation, and never notify the IC as to what he and his crew are doing.

So many stories... The NYPDTransit Bureau radio network is notorious for dead spots and malfunctions. One night Central was having a real trouble hearing units in the field, and asked a unit to repeat their transmission several times. Finally someone got on the radio and announced, "Central, change your location and try again." I think almost every NYPD division has or had a Chewbacca on it. "Chewie, on the air?" One morning a sector was trying reach Central, and either the dispatcher didn't hear it or had stepped away from the console, someone played the Verizon telephone operator over the radio. "I'm sorry the number you have called is not in service at this time. Please hang up and try your call again." I got central one morning. I had arrested someone for laying down in the transit system with an open warrant. I put over 'central show me with a 10 -12 times 1 (arrest) at Dyckman St." The dispatcher responded with "Unit, what is the 12 for?" Me, "Felonious Mopery" Another unit chimed in "Aggravated Mopery" Me" Yup, he's pretty aggravated about it" Central, " very good, aggravated felonious mopery at Dykman, can I get a unit for transport?"

Because the public goes along with it, many,have the feeling "it will never happen to me". They like the garbage man because he comes and takes my trash every week, I just see the cop writing tickets or the firefighter sitting in the firehouse.

Rest in peace. Horrible at anytime of ihe year, but lately its been rough

NYPD has a bucket, it is kept at Floyd Bennett Field. That is Aviation and Special Operations Division HQ. According to the post above Aviation was grounded. Even if it was not grounded I dont think they would use it on a structure, the roof would block the water from getting to tge fire.

Thought so, I too miss the sounds of a screaming Detroit Diesel. I bet this one had that real quick 2nd gear that seamed to be associated with Hahn.

Was this the glider kit built by Pierce from the Hahn?

Christopher, Keep you head up and fight as hard as you can. When you feel tired and worn down come on here and we will support and encourage you as best we can. We do it in our firehouses, stationhouses, EMS bases. This place is no different. We have our discussions and disagreements from time to time but at the end of the day we want everyone to go home. Stay positive Christopher!

ALS, At the time of the redesignation, we still had our 80 Hahn with 1000 gpm and 500 gallons. It also had a hurst tool, but no supply hose, just 2 crosslays. IIRC we had no say as what the county was going to designate us as. The current 47 does have some supply hose now. A squad designation may have been better, since at the time we in the company filled in both engine and ladder company operations as needed. There are other examples out there, there was one 'rescue' that was a 12 passenger van, others that were ambulances, etc. When the county changed designations some were corrected.

Congrats to all the new graduates. Stay safe, wear your vests, and listen to your training/ senior offices for guidance.

I dont mind at all. Just re-reading what I wrote, and I would have to add manpower. Equipment and tool selction are kind of the same thing. Not picking on anyone, but speaking from what I know. Pleasantville R47 compares in no way a rescue. Originally its radio designation was Patrol 7, which when eliminated by Westchester County became a rescue because it had a hydraulic rescue tool. The current R47 has a 2000 gpm pump 750 gallons of water, a generator and light tower. When I left in 2005, there was discussions on obtaining air bags. Not sure if this was followed thru. Most of the other equiptment outside of the first aid and defibrillator would be at home on any engine. CO meter, a multi gas meter, heat gun, fans , etc. should this unit really be designated a rescue? What is the requirement in Westchester to be designated a rescue? While I was there we took training seriously, and were constantly looking for new training.

Ah, but what constitutes a rescue in Westchester? Some are rescues in name only, since they have a hydraulic rescue tool on them, and might be better designated as an engine. Outside of New Rochelle and Yonkers, who in Westchester has a rescue that can compare with FDNY in terms of equipment, training, and tool selection?

It was declared unconstitutional in 2004, due to defective instructions to jurors. The state elected to not fix the problem NYS Death Penalty

Police Officer Peter Figoski of the 75 Pct died from a gunshot sustained in the line duty. Officer Figoski was responding to a burglary in progress, when he was shot one time in the face. Figoski was a 22 year veteran of the NYPD, and leaves behind 4 daughters. Details of the wake and funeral to follow as they become availible. Fidelis ad Mortem. Rest in Peace brother.

I just got word that Officer Peter Figoski has passed to due being shot in the face early this morning. Officer Figoski had over 20 years on the job. He was responding to a burglary in progress when shot. His partner was able to apprehend one perp. The second perp is still outstanding at this time.

Date: 12/12/11 Time:around 0220 hours Location: Pine and Euclid Avenue Frequency: Units Operating: 75 Pct, ESU, boro task forces Weather Conditions: cold and clear Description Of Incident: MOS shot in face, as of 0230 hours, being removed by EMS with escort. Blood bank notified to be on stand by. MOS condition is likely from reports. One subject in custody, and one subject still at large. Level 3 mobilization called by the 75 LT. Details to follow as I get them. New York City police say the officer shot in the face shot while responding to a break-in at a Brooklyn apartment has died. Officer Peter Figoski was at the bottom of a staircase leading from the street to the basement apartment early Monday. Police say he was hit once. He was pronounced dead at 7:17 a.m. Reporters/Writer: GrumpyFF