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You are correct that the unit is not part of Mask Service Unit. Here is what that unit carry's: BG-4 Closed Circuit Breathing Apparatus (CCBA): Extended Operation - Up to 4 Hours! The Draeger BG-4 is a NIOSH & MSHA Approved Closed Circuit Breathing Apparatus provides superior respiratory protection in IDLH environments for up to 4 hours! Conventional SCBA’s are limited to just one hour or less and do not provide the extended time that is required in critical operations like: search and rescue, hazardous materials clean-up, domestic preparedness, or mine and tunnel rescue. The low profile of the BG-4 makes it easy to use under protective clothing. Every BG-4 is equipped with a fully electronic alarm, test and pressure display system that provides continuous information to the user. stay safe

Posted Sept. 29, 2005 Seagrave, Pierce plans on track Two Valley fire apparatus makers expand facilities By Pete Bach Post-Crescent staff writer The head of Seagrave Fire Apparatus is eyeing a spring construction start on its long-awaited expansion project. “The steel’s there. The ground’s prepared. Utilities are in,” said chief executive officer Scott Mintier. “It’s waiting for me to say, ‘Okay gentlemen, let’s start.’” Mintier said he’s been getting his “arms around” more pressing priorities since being named last spring to succeed Jim Hebe as CEO. For example, last week he was meeting with New York Fire Department officials over some concerns they had about how long truck repairs and new truck construction was taking. Mintier said the expansion is definitely on. “I met with the general contractor six weeks ago to make sure prices were up to date. In my opinion it’ll be spring” for a project start, he said. Seagrave isn’t the only area emergency vehicle manufacturer in an expansion mode. Pierce Manufacturing, a subsidiary of Oshkosh Truck Corp., is underway with improvements totaling $18.5 million at its Grand Chute chassis plant and its Town of Menasha fire and rescue vehicle fabrication plant. The bulk of the work will come at the Grand Chute facility. The town says the tab for the expansion of the facility shell at 3100 N. McCarthy Road at $3,076,000. Work on the 130,000-square-foot addition is proceeding on schedule. “We have broken ground and it’s moving along well,” said company spokeswoman Kirsten Skyba. “Our anticipation is we’ll have things moved in there in the first quarter of 2006.” No additional jobs are expected to result from the expansions. Pierce employs 1,550 in the Fox Cities. In Clintonville, the city has put the cost of Seagrave’s 130,000-square-foot building shell at about $2.8 million. The centerpiece of the expansion are three 400-foot-long production lines: two for the manufacture of custom pumper trucks and the remaining one for aerial ladder and platform trucks. The project has been on the back burner since June 2004 when the state announced a pair of grants totaling $760,000 to relocate streets, water and sewer services and street reconstruction work, infrastructure improvements that also benefited nearby Walker Forge, a producer of carbon and steel forgings which conducted an expansion project of its own. Earlier, the company said the project stands to add up to 170 new jobs to the Seagrave roster, which stands at about 350 here, making it the largest employer in the city of 4,750. But Mintier declined to comment on the extent of hiring new employees once the project is complete. Last November, the company laid off 65 workers. Pete Bach can be reached at 920-993-1000, ext. 430, or by e-mail at pbach@postcrescent.com

Posted Sept. 23, 2005 Seagrave aims to patch things up with NYC By Pete Bach Post-Crescent staff writer CLINTONVILLE — Seagrave Fire Apparatus, the exclusive supplier of fire trucks to New York City, scrambled this week to repair its reputation with its leading customer. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg launched a public attack earlier in the week against the Clintonville fire apparatus maker amid charges from the fire department that six new ladder trucks were out of service as much as nine months to await repairs covered by a warranty. Scott Mintier, Seagrave’s chief executive officer, denied that. Mintier, who met with department officials this week, said five trucks underwent routine maintenance, three of which are back in service. Another is re-entering service this week, and the last truck will go back in service in about a week. Seagrave, which employs about 350 at its Clintonville plant, is North America’s oldest continuous manufacturer of fire apparatus. The company drew national attention after Sept. 11, 2001, as it rushed to build new trucks for the department, which lost 54 trucks in the attacks. In addition to the slow repairs, the department is concerned that 12 trucks on order have yet to be built, said Jim Long, a spokesman for the department. “They’re started. We just got the last change order on the things on Sept. 7,” Mintier said. The first trucks are scheduled for shipment in January, Mintier said. Clintonville Mayor Richard Beggs spoke with Mintier about the conflict. “I told him to tell us what the issues are and what he thinks they can do about them,” he said. “As happens with all companies, they have ups and downs, good days and bad days.” Pete Bach can be reached at 920-993-1000, ext. 430, or by e-mail at pbach@postcrescent.com

You want to know what that means???? It means that there is lot more to the story and it usually involves politics, propaganda and $$$$!!!!! How many pieces does Seagrave have in the FDNY fleet??? and what percentage are they having problems with??? Even with the new math, it is a small percentage. I remember going to Fleet Services in LIC. Uh! Oh! I mean Red Square.....Why do you think they called it Red Square??????There was fire apparatus parked for repair everywhere!!! This situation is far from what it use to be like and by the way....All manufacturers have monday/Friday Rigs! You won't see another TL in NYC......Aerialscope is a way of life. The R&D process and in-service training alone on a new style of TL would take years. Ask anyone who deals with FDNY. That is all that I have to say about that. Stay safe.

We have beat on this thread before and although the reasons for centralized dispatch are many and profound, you will continue to see PD's limp along dispatching agencies because there is $$$$ involved. There is no legitmate reason in a county like westchester, there can't be Centralized 911 communications. The sooner these agencies wake up, the better off the residents will be! Monroe County did it upstate. Stay safe..

Old = Janesville/Lion Apparel New = Morning Pride

I personally hate to see another classic CF Mack go! and if we are throwing names around and it's going to be a rescue pumper,,,,,,,,,How about?????? SQUAD 88 That outa stir the pot!

North White Plains and West Harrison have done Automatic Aid for years! There were multiple reasons of which manpower plays a role as with any fire department. The quarry area of Old Orchard Street and Park Lane in North White Plains/West Harrison has been for years a automatic aid response betweeen the (2) departments. Several criteria went into this plan: Remote area's of both districts requiring longer then normal response times. Lack of adequate water supply and a potential for a long stretch. (The fact that one side of the street is NWP and the other is W.Harrison) Also West Harrison responds with a engine and the tower ladder which complemented the 2 engines and rescue from North White Plains. It has changed a little bit with the quint but essentially the same plan is still in effect. It has proven successfull on numerous occasions.

It will be front line and the current saulsbury apparatus will be a spare. There will not be a Haz-Mat 2.

The show's prop master is having trouble securing a ladder truck on a regular basis. They shoot the show in a firehouse in nassau county and in queens. FDNY will not allow the show to use FDNY apparatus outside the city limits. Apparently, they rent apparatus an a regular basis depending what's available from the spare pool. They also do not like using the FDNY apparaus because the fixed cabs make it very hard to film. They would much perfer a tilt cab. I was told that if the show gets picked up for a 3rd season, they will be in purchasing permenant show apparatus. Also the seagrave engine is a real FDNY apparatus on loan from Seagrave. Hope this helps

What they are describing in the article and what I saw two weeks ago are definately NOT the same. The system I saw installed on a set of bunker pants was simple off the shelf equipment with a slightly modified Gemtor harness. Basically a bail out system sewn to the side of the bunker pants fed through a simple decent device and attathed to the gemtor harness with a couple of steel biners. As usual, it will be interesting to see how this whole thing shakes out.(':-k')

I was at R2 not too long ago and there was a Yellow Helmet on the Gear Rack and the Capt told me that they had an active FDNY Auxilary (Retired NYPD whose father was R2) and that the tradition goes back to WWII when extra manpower was needed. Sounded pretty cool....

Remember that YFD was using and still continues to use 3.5" Supply hose with 2.5" couplings in 50' lengths. Yes, it is alot easier to move then 5" but the friction loss, coupling cost factors and sheer water volume play a huge part in the transition to 5". Try supplying a tower ladder and an engine with 3.5" hose + add the age and demographics of the water supply system and 5" is a no brainer. java script:emoticon('=D>') Stay low and keep safe

That's not capitolism, that's illegal....so now its ok fund projects...per say???....that may influence the outcome of a legitimate R&D and bidding process. Who do you think loses??? I 'll bet you it's the guys on the line who suffer in one way or another.

This issue is not about quality or having innovative products to protect firefighters......it's about $$$$$$ plain and simple. Take a look at your own bunker gear. There is no such thing as a Project Fires or Project Heros Label or certifacation. Those projects are similar to concept cars, where emerging technology and innovation are show cased for future products. All gear companies have to produce to the NFPA level. www.ufalocal94.org/firelines/2004/june_04/fl_june_04_ufaseminar.html *** The following was borrowed from the UFA LOCAL 94 Web page *** Protective Gear Issues: Mary Grilliot & Jack Reilly, from Morning Pride/Total Fire Group (our gear manufacturers), made a critical and impactful PowerPoint presentation and narrative regarding how our current Protective Gear could be in jeopardy, and how you can guard the selection process. Mary & Jack shared latest developments in gear that may affect you, and the possible upcoming bidding process that could lead to replacement of your current bunker gear with inferior quality fire protective clothing. Upcoming evaluations by various members will play a key role in making this determination. Mary & Jack explained the process of insuring your members (should they be selected) understand the small nuances on City evaluation forms that, if not prepared correctly, could ultimately result in a lower grade/cost replacement of your bunker gear, which—while saving the City money—will result in more burns or deaths to firefighters. Morning Pride/Total Fire Group was also the Title Sponsor of the seminar, footing the bill for an extremely large chunk of the seminar’s cost, which they generously do each year. There are 2 sides to every story....be able to compare apples to apples. Again, this is about $$$$$$$. PLAIN and SIMPLE java script:emoticon(':-k')

How does the quality of the New KME Engine compare to the Seagraves and Pierces you have had in the past? Am I missing any manufacturers? Fit and Finish? Service and Repairs? Seems KME, Seagrave, ALF and Pierce are delivering quite a few apparatus in Westchester stay safe and keep low

I was told that a custom mural depicting their original hand drawn pumper will go on the door insted on "84". Sound's good and should be coming soon. Also notice, there are no pre-connects? Other then that, nice short wheel base and well thought out piece of equipment.

Is that a personal opinion because you've worn the Survivair Pak more then the Scott Pak? or is it based on repair costs, ease of use, reliability, and durability? It's not a very common piece of equipment around here. I am interested in your response. :-k Stay low and keep safe.

Follow the link: See Field Com 1 on the hook for yourself! http://www.yonkerstribune.com/modules.php?...rticle&sid=6719 Keep your head down and stay safe

I would like to see it get put back to original delvery condition and color and sent to Hudson for display. It is a real piece of Yorktown and Northern Westchester history. Very few pieces of apparatus are such classics!

It's Official.......1968 Seagrave getting replaced by 2005 Seagrave 100' rearmount on a Lo-pro chassis. Details to follow soon.

I think the the mid-west in general is more progressive because of the age of the departments and area's they protect. The area's area newer then the North East, they are not enbridled in tradition like the North East. Many traditional features that are available on apparatus come from the North East but these newer areas especially the Dallas Fort Worth areas that have seen huge population explosions can be more progressive with out the hinderence of " This is the way we have always done it" mentallity. I spent 6 years in the Mid-West and grew up in Westchester so thats just my opinion..... keep your head down and stay safe... msm 232

There are some other factors that go into borrowing spare apparatus that has not been discussed like the fact that most of the Sound Shore Fire Departments such as Larchmont have special Hydrant and Hose threads (New York Corp) Right away you limit a majority of fire departments out side that immediate area. And New York Corp Threads are different then FDNY threads as so many departments found out during the 9-11 event. This is a major issue in the Northeast and the fire service as a whole is trying to address interoperability issue. keep you head down and stay safe.

I would like to better understand the problems that exist and how the other members including chief's and commissioners know these problems exist and yet rigs have not been pulled of the streets or have they? If NOT....Now the liability is on the fire Dept and the chief's and not seagrave and the dealer. You have in the past talked about a commercial rescue-pumper the district bought and if I am not mistaken, this too had lots of problems, were those ever taken care of by the dealer or manufacturer?.....see where i going with this....There is no perfect rig, we would like to think there is but there is not.....These are pieces of machenery, some are built on friday and mondays but it is up to the FD to make sure that it lives up to your FD's expectations. I can also say that sometimes, the dealer may not even know these situations exist!!! All manufactuerers screwup, and *&@^ up! Some times the dealer can fix it easy and sometimes not.....but if the information is not getting to the right people, then shame on the FD. I know of at least 2 departments with paint issues and you know what both have been solved.... so in my opinion, i would get a list together and let the powers to be know that there are problems with these rigs that should be fixed ASAP. Again, not trying to defend only trying to understand so history does not repeat. Keep you head down and stay safe.

Res20cue, in several posts you talk about problems that have never been resolved with the 2 Seagrave Engines. Those engines are 2 years Old now? If the fire District had all of these problems with this apparatus, Why did they pay for them? Who accepted 3/4 million dollars worth of apparatus with out doing a inspection? What are the exact problems and do they relate to the manufacturer or the Dealer? Why has the district not used their legal counsel to try get satisfaction? I was recently talking to a member of a department in NJ where every time they used their tower ladder in rain, the control electronics would short out. The manufacturer took awhile but flew a team in and completely installed all new electronics and all it took was one letter from the departments counsel. What about the warranties? So if you could, you should be more specific about whose problems they exactly are Seagrave, Detroit Diesel, Allison, Hale etc? Does your department have its own mechanic? Things are not always as they appear to seem. Plenty of departments have Seagrave fire apparatus in westchester and I have never heard those kind of complaints. Do not get me wrong, I am not trying to defend only to educate..... Keep your head down and stay safe