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nice truck but looks like a camel being a race horse.  i like the idea of keeping the scba's out of the back and the reasons why but they are still in the back with this design.  look a the video again especially at 2:43 seconds into it.  you will see that the scba compartment is open to the back of the truck so anything off gases from the packs will still be in the same compartment.  i like the idea and the reasons behind it but i don't get the way they did it.  

nice truck but looks like a camel being a race horse.  i like the idea of keeping the scba's out of the back and the reasons why but they are still in the back with this design.  look a the video again especially at 2:43 seconds into it.  you will see that the scba compartment is open to the back of the truck so anything off gases from the packs will still be in the same compartment.  i like the idea and the reasons behind it but i don't get the way they did it.  

nice truck but looks like a camel being a race horse.  i like the idea of keeping the scba's out of the back and the reasons why but they are still in the back with this design.  look a the video again especially at 2:43 seconds into it.  you will see that the scba compartment is open to the back of the truck so anything off gases from the packs will still be in the same compartment.  i like the idea and the reasons behind it but i don't get the way they did it.  

I recall this fire-as it occurred on my shift. The fire happened in the early Am, and the only occupant in the bus at the time of the incident was the driver. The driver was also the person who called 911, and took the video.

oh no doubt it was a great fast knock down. 
 
just good to look at this video, take a moment and think.   Some really great ideas and observations.  
 
as far as the navy nozzle i know its something new guys don't know or haven't seen but i saw one on the rescue one day and was oh thats cool we have one.  i'm a commercial sailor and well we have a ton of them on the ship. and sold brass vary nozzles too...  they are a pain when salt gets in them though.  and we don't use fresh water in the firemain.  
 
but i like the video, shows alot of good things and again a great fast knock down. 

we have it on the rescue in my department but why not attack from the outside using a navy low velocity fog nozzle.  i believe we have a 6 foot one, just the right height to go around the bus get the knock down and cool down.  then you can enter and mop up the hot spots. Just seems like this guy took a risk, especially if the fuel tank let lose, yes it's diesel but it will ignite.  

Always easy to say this from a chair at a desk, but it looks like it is on a slope.  Before they did anything, especially going in, they should have chocked it.  

we have it on the rescue in my department but why not attack from the outside using a navy low velocity fog nozzle.  i believe we have a 6 foot one, just the right height to go around the bus get the knock down and cool down.  then you can enter and mop up the hot spots. Just seems like this guy took a risk, especially if the fuel tank let lose, yes it's diesel but it will ignite.  

So a few points that must be considered when using this video as a basis for comparison:
1. The nozzle was set to a narrow to medium fog pattern, something we know will entrain air and push heat, smoke and fire. A straight or solid stream would not have had the same result, or to the same degree.
2. The issue of pushing products of combustion onto trapped occupants outside the fire room has been shown to be nearly negated with a proper solid/straight stream and little movement. Inside the fire room with actual fire out the window, the probability of survivability is next to nothing. 
3. One of the reasons we have such a wide spread of results from the "reset" stream is the misapplication. When you say "at any angle", it's really a perversion of the research showing the smooth/straight stream should be aimed into the opening with the stream entering the opening low and aimed sharply upward at the ceiling and held there with little to no movement to minimize blocking the venting from the same opening.
4. Positioning  a line to attack from the unburned side can result in delayed water on the fire, which we know is the real key to success. The sooner we can cool the fire and stop the production/spread of heat, the better. Also, going to the rear in residential dwellings often doesn't allow for the line to be placed between the fire and the stairs. 
 
In my opinion, the "outside hit" is a tactic that can work very well as long the conditions are right: a) fire must be self-vented from the fire room, b) the opening cannot be out of the way of the first line stretched so that it causes a delay in getting inside (unless it's totally untenable), c) charging the line outside cannot delay the stretch inside (fire on the third floor or above where a dry lay up may be significantly faster).
 
Basically, why would we not want to cool the fire faster if it's possible? Again, done properly, utilizing a straight stream or solid bore properly applied when it doesn't significantly (60 seconds?) delay the stretch in? Again in my opinion this tactic should not be called "transitional attack".  Transitional indicates a movement from one mode to another, but in this case the outside stream is not a defensive move, it's a "new" option in the offensive attack, that like other tactics should be utilized when conditions indicate and allow. Conditions dictate tactics.
 
All of that said, that video went totally different than I anticipated, they made short work of that fire.  

45 Medics  Medic 1 Armonk, Banksville, Chappaqua, Millwood, Mt Kisco, Bedford, Bedford Hills up to harris rd 
                  Medic 2 Katonah, Somers, Bedford Hills North of Harris Rd North Salem West of RTE 22
                  Medic 3 South Salem, North Salem East of 22, Vista, and Pound Ridge.
Katonah is central for them so when its one medic in service that medic reposts to katonah 
When medic 1 goes out medic 2 goes to mt kisco medic 3 goes central
when medic 2 or 3 goes out the other medic either 2 or 3 goes central. 
40Bravo1 a bls unit that picks up 911 calls from majority of the nursing homes in the 45 response area as first due.  also back fills for when a volunteer crew can not be mustered. 
 
               

45 Medics  Medic 1 Armonk, Banksville, Chappaqua, Millwood, Mt Kisco, Bedford, Bedford Hills up to harris rd 
                  Medic 2 Katonah, Somers, Bedford Hills North of Harris Rd North Salem West of RTE 22
                  Medic 3 South Salem, North Salem East of 22, Vista, and Pound Ridge.
Katonah is central for them so when its one medic in service that medic reposts to katonah 
When medic 1 goes out medic 2 goes to mt kisco medic 3 goes central
when medic 2 or 3 goes out the other medic either 2 or 3 goes central. 
40Bravo1 a bls unit that picks up 911 calls from majority of the nursing homes in the 45 response area as first due.  also back fills for when a volunteer crew can not be mustered. 
 
               

It's doesn't make sense but if it works.  Has NYC changed the ALS protocols that a medic can work alone without a medic partner ? If so I think this is good

I don't think the headline necessarily needs to be changed.  Whether or not this is actually a career vs volunteer issue, the term "professional" was used correctly in the headline.  A professional firefighter is a person who is paid to be a firefighter just like a professional athlete is a person that is paid to play a sport.  
 
Acting in a professional manner and displaying professionalism is a different animal.

Your right the topic headline should be changed to career not profesional.  Both career and volunteer claim to be professionals. 
 
That being said, it doesn't matter if a career chief or voluteer chief made the statements.   The statement is strait up wrong.  You represent not only the fire department but the town too. Which intails more responsibility then actually known.   and in todays world even someone at an entry level has to becareful  on what they say and where they say it.  cell phones are recording everything. 
 
If this is true that this statement is over a year old... this department has some big issues and this act by the mayor is going to pull it all out.  I hope that they can get infront of this and take control. 
 

http://westchester.news12.com/news/port-chester-volunteer-fire-chief-edward-quinn-accused-of-telling-men-to-damage-harrison-firefighte-1.11840390#autoplay=true
 
this isn't good.... 
 

Your right the topic headline should be changed to career not profesional.  Both career and volunteer claim to be professionals. 
 
That being said, it doesn't matter if a career chief or voluteer chief made the statements.   The statement is strait up wrong.  You represent not only the fire department but the town too. Which intails more responsibility then actually known.   and in todays world even someone at an entry level has to becareful  on what they say and where they say it.  cell phones are recording everything. 
 
If this is true that this statement is over a year old... this department has some big issues and this act by the mayor is going to pull it all out.  I hope that they can get infront of this and take control. 
 

A few things jump out from this to me, I am pretty sure that not everyone here will agree with my priorities here, time for a rant.
 
1) Brotherhood or lack there of - Who made this recording? Who on earth records their brother firefighters in a moment of what can only bee seen off the cuff and obviously intended as comedic banter? This alone would make me not want to join a department where you have to worry about your fellow members recording what you say. It is bad enough we have to worry about the public filming public safety but now you have to set rat traps in your own parlor. For a thread dedicated to bad relations to depend so much on a video obtained in what can only be bad faith is startling.
 
2) Timing - This is apparently a year old. So someone knew of supposed misconduct but decided to wait and see when it would be the most opportune time to use it. This makes whoever sat on this video nothing more than a co conspirator at best. Had the windows been broken at this firefighter's house how would the holder of the video that could have prevented a crime be thought of? I for one would not call them a hero for coming up with evidence, I would think them a fool for not alerting the authorities. This is nothing more than an opportunistic person who for whatever reason has decided to kiss up to one side in an unrelated debate. I see the sudden unveiling of this recording as highly questionable.
 
3) Characterization - I know that nobody here has ever told or hear an off color or even mean spirited joke in a fire house. I know that every station in the world other than PCFD is apparently a monastic home for innocent choir boys that have never uttered an unkind word against another member. However for a lawyer to characterize this as encouraging vandalism is playing on the public's ignorance. What I heard was someone saying that he hoped to respond to a certain house that night (far more troubling to me) and that if they did to break every window in the place (which I took as a remark on the ongoing fire service debate on ventilation) To break windows or not break windows is something that gets discussed over and over, even among the choirboys. However even when one firefighter/department/chief sees what they think as too much glass breaking I don't think it rises to the level of vandalism. Plus the qualification of tying this to an anticipated response tells me this is not a call to go out and commit a crime as the shady ambulance chaser thinks it is.
 
I am far more troubled by the idea that someone hopes to respond to another members home. This tells me that he wishes for a fire or other emergency to effect this member AND THEIR FAMILY. This is far worse than breaking a window or even all of them. As much as emergency services can sometimes be see as morbid in hoping for good calls, I don't think we should even entertain the concept of hoping for calls at other members homes. This is disgusting, but requires the baisc concept of brotherhood to be fully understood. This means that my opinion probably would not inflame the public enough to push an agenda.
 
4) Agendas - In the other thread about Port Chester it was asked why the volunteers were not standing up for their paid brothers. This lawyer is why! He says that this is why you can't have a volunteer chief. I don't get the connection. I have met idiots and [expletives] on both sides of the pay check. We are constantly told to see beyond the payroll and take each brother as an individual, so why is this not a case of investigating one person and finding out if they did something wrong? Why is this seen as an example of why no volunteer can ever possibly be chief? Because there is an agenda that comes from some (but not all) career staff that is guided by the overriding principle of getting rid of volunteers. I don't think there are conferences or pamphlets, I don't think any person or organization would be stupid enough to leave such a paper trail. Then again, it is apparently OK to secretly record your brothers, so maybe there is some grainy cellphone footage out there of a second gunman on the grassy knoll. This lawyer is certainly of the mind that PCFD not only needs career firefighters (which I don't think is up for debate) but apparently also needs a paid chief (which I think is absolutely debatable). This seems like a case of never letting a good scandal go to waste.
 
It seems to me that actions by all of those involved here, The person who wishes ill on another member and their family, the person who secretly records the goings on in a firehouse and then sits on the recording for a year, and the lawyer who is willing to make broad statements to push an agenda are all the reason we have the acronym BMA!
 

http://westchester.news12.com/news/port-chester-volunteer-fire-chief-edward-quinn-accused-of-telling-men-to-damage-harrison-firefighte-1.11840390#autoplay=true
 
this isn't good.... 
 

http://westchester.news12.com/news/port-chester-volunteer-fire-chief-edward-quinn-accused-of-telling-men-to-damage-harrison-firefighte-1.11840390#autoplay=true
 
this isn't good.... 
 

how does the mayor and trustees have control over something like this?  shouldn't it be controlled by the board of fire commisioners?  what if the tables were turned and they laid off cops?   i can understand cutting a budget but completely getting rid of a fill in for a fire service....  seems like a knee jerk reactions and they also cut there nose despite their face.   should be intresting in the future and what the courts decide on this one.  

^^^I believe that Port Chester FD is a village municipal fire department and not a fire district. Thus there are no fire commissioners, only the village board of trustees. We have the same setup in Croton-on-Hudson, just on a smaller scale with no career FFs yet. 
It's a system that has pros and cons over a fire district. There's generally more local accountability and oversight of a municipal department than a district. However, it means that less knowledgeable politicians are making the budget priorities. Back in the day, the volunteer membership was a huge voting bloc, so the FD was taken care of. Recently, not so much.

They need to stop robbing peter to pay paul and just add more resources to the entire system!

Ridiculous! Wait until summertime!