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Hey PFDSNAPSHOT- I bet you think that OJ was innocent too. This POS small time actor was a partner in a crime where a cop was killed, what's to think about, he's guilty and deserves what ever he gets. Hopefully, a needle in the arm.

This forum should not be about individual firerighters, volunteer or paid. It should be about the service your DEPARTMENT provides. If your department can't put enough properly trained manpower on the scene, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year within 4-5 minutes then you have a problem. This is the problem no one wants to address. How often do you read in this web site a residential house fire takes 7 departments and 100 firefighters to extinguish. A chief arrives on the scene in three minutes but the first engine takes eight minutes and then you have to tone out for additional manpower. Which is better a properly trained paid, or volunteer firefighter, should not be the issue. Giving the citizens the fire protection they deserve is the issue.

Why would a paid ff be worried about a volunteer ff, the paid guy already has his job. I would think that it's the other was around the volly may be replaced some day by a paid dept. As for the unions being obsessed with the vollys I think that this is just the usual smoke screen thrown up by volunteer depts to keep their political clout.

I don't know if it's just " the paid guys" who are questioning the financial incentives. As a resident I would question at what point you should stop being considered a volunteer. If your getting financial compensation then your not volunteering. The training standards and physical requirements then come into play. Not to mention response times and officer qualifications. Some of the budgets out there are higher for a volly dept then they are for the combo depts. in Westchester.

Life isn't fair. 25000 ( all of whom want the job ) people take the REAL test for the FDNY and about 2500 get hired. Don't feel sorry for a few who try and sneak in trough the back door and get disapointed because their" promotions" are held up for a couple of months. If you can't pass the regular test then maybe you dont deserve the job.

Sure we can handle it. As long it's on a Saturday morning at 10 AM, when everyones around. Other then that I'm not so sure.

Watt dew hue mean. Eye have never sceen any spelling ore grammer errors on n e of theez post.

Last week we were talking about how many gazillion dollars we were saving the taxpayers because 75% of us the were volunteer. This week it's we're not paid enough. Why should we be expected to train, risk our lives and suffer long term health problems and the guy who cuts the grass in the town park makes 50K a year. As long as there are people willing to do this job for nothing we will never be paid what we are worth.

This topic started out as taking apparatus to a parade and is now a discussion of is there enough manpower during the day. I don't know how we got here, but as long as we are, I would like to know. Can your department put enough properly trained firefighters and officers on the scene in the time set by the NFPA as the accepted standard 24 hours a day 365 days a year. If you can't do that then going to a parade and and keeping your fingers crossed that every thing will work out is just wrong. The public and expects, and is entitled to proper fire protection ALL the time, not just at night or on weekends.

I'm not saying that the chief's shouldn't go to the parade. I'm saying that not ALL of the chiefs should go to the parade or out of town at the same time. Most depts have three chiefs, one of them can miss a parade and stay in the district. And if a captain or lieutenant can run the department then why do you need three chief's. When you take the position of chief your main job is to protect the firefighters and citizens of your district, not march in a parade. My Post has nothing to do with being a fan of parades. I love parades.

What's so hard to grasp about this issue. If the rig is out of service, it's out of service. If the manpower at the parade and the rig are so importent then they shouldn't be out of town in the first place.Our first priority is not getting a slap on the back and a few cheers, it's protecting the public. And as far as the Chief's go most dept's have more then one Chief so they should never all be out of town or at a parade at the same time.

Am I the only one who thinks that the FDNY brass picked the wrong time and place to lay down the law. The St Patricks Day Parade. With morale at it's lowest point and pay at an embarassing level don't you think they should be more focused on other things, like why their members have to jump out of fifth floor windows. If you have to tighten things up there are other ways to do it.

How about L-48 & E- 94 in Hunts Point, Bronx, NY

Why would we as Fire Departments encourage people to put in smoke detectors and alarm systems, and then give them a lesser response then someone who did not have detectors or an alarm system. The response to any structure call should be the same. We can't respond to alarms only when it's a real fire. You have to treat every response as if it is something until it's confirmed that it' s a false alarm. Also any department that would only sent an engine of a rescue to investigate an automatic alarm is just plain foolish.