velcroMedic1987

From the NYS VTL: Not just municipal vehicles. Blood delivery vehicles, ambulance, environmental and haz-mat vehicles all qualify for designation as emergency vehicles. I don't think it has anything to do with the ownership of the utilities or the distances they may have to respond. What qualifies as an emergency? I would say a gas leak qualifies but if someone's lights are out is that an emergency? Who decides? There are enough problems with police, fire and EMS responding to things without adding a couple thousand more vehicles with lights and sirens.

You're certain they acted outside their scope of training? By doing what? By answering a radio run? Does that mean that every EMT is acting outside their training and equipmetn when they show up at an ALS call? Given the information they had, they were investigating a call about a fire and, as it turns out, it was a crime scene.

How many FD's have written procedures/policies for responding to shootings or incidents involving armed suspects (like the Webster fire)?

Officer Guerra died this morning. Rest in peace! http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-officer-responded-coney-island-fire-dies-article-1.1750442

What was the officer's intentions? Did you speak to them in the elevator? They just announced that the officer died so we will never know what he thought or what he was going to do when he got to the 13th floor. bnechis, he won't be promoted and he won't be receiving any medals (except maybe posthumously). They were sent on a radio run. Bottom line.

How is this any different than the fire service or EMS? The FD responds to everything, even when told there is nothing there by a credible source on scene (I know this will undoubtedly start the war stories about this one time, in band camp, when they said nothing was there but something was, blah, blah, blah). What calls don't we have to go to and on who's authority can we say no, we're not going? In a department like the NYPD, two beat cops in the projects aren't going to be able to say "we're not going".

I listened to the audio from the PD relating to this incident and we're all overlooking the fact that these two cops were DISPATCHED to an apartment on the 13th floor for a report of a fire. They weren't trying to be heroic, they weren't trying to be firefighters, they were responding to a radio run as they probably had 1000 times just this year. Absent a policy on how to respond to a reported fire in a high rise project building, these two unwitting victims just answered a call. The soapbox is misplaced and responsibility will probably be placed on the department for the lack of training, lack of written policies, and the provision of incomplete information. These officers didn't have the benefit of CIDS, or a size-up, or a call-back for additional information. They just answered the call as they always do. We work in disneyland compared to their housing environment and we can't judge these two officers for their actions. Rest in peace Officer Guerra. Speedy recovery Officer Rodriguez.

Disgraceful! That kid needs a lesson or two!

You're right about the growth of technology being spurred on by military research and applications. You may even be right about your crystal ball. However it will probably take 5 employees, 2 engineers, 1 computer specialist and two or three vehicles to mobilize every robotic FF so while it may be safer than humans, it will never cost less.

The nuclear industry has a lot more $$$$$ than a fire department. I can't see this catching on in too many places.

More than the Commissioner of the FDNY. That's reasonable. Commanding 60 guys making more than the guy commanding 11000 guys. No wonder NYS is so screwed up.

You should be alert for a patient becoming agitated or combative. That's part of the job. To suggest that good situational awareness and conflict avoidance is wrong doesn't make any sense at all.

If the junkie is fighting with you he(she) probably isn't a candidate for narcan anyway. The whole point is to counter CNS depression brought about by opiate overdose and I never met one of those who had much fight in 'em. Most of them are too out of it to even BREATHE!!!

It sort of faded away in the mid-late 1990's and just came back about 3-4 years ago. Friends said that the majority of guys got reassigned or retired and they didn't want to pay for the training to keep it staffed.

A little too low profile for me. I wouldn't pull over for that.

Pretty sure it's two different classes.

Up to 10 years of back pay which means being vested and having benefits without ever being on the job. It is a disgrace!

1. It's DEP, isn't it? 2. Wouldn't any such construction require an engineer to design it? You're not just going to stick a pipe in the ground and hope for the best, right? 3. Not many hoops and very cheap access to a BIG supply of water. I don't understand why more agencies don't do it.

What exactly is an "executive deputy chief" anyway?

Does Greenburgh PD have an ALS ESU or an EMS division with police paramedics? NYPD ESU is ALS? Really? Nassau and Suffolk both have ambulance divisions. Are you saying that all their ESU cops are medics as well?

This is not bashing. Kudos for a dedicated medic. This is just a procedural question. Under what provision of Article 30 does the medic operate? It's not as an ALSFR and TOWVAC isn't an ALS agency. Seems to be a loophole in Article 30, imagine that?

There have always been limitations/restrictions or whatever you'd like to call it on what plans/HMO's are accepted by facilities and/or doctors. Why is this any different than any other time?

It was an OVAC vehicle. I can't believe it took this long to get posted here and nobody replied yet. Disgraceful. An oil pan on a fire engine gets pages or replies but this is ignored. People gotta get their priorities straight.

Preconnected or not, bumper mounted or elsewhere, first due or special call, the victim will still be there when you start the extrication. Others have said it, you have to size-up, stabilize and protect the victim(s) before you start anything so I'll ask the medical side of the house - will one minute make any difference in patient outcome?

I guess it wasn't posted because there was no "incident" to report. The "rescue" was completed by civilians before anyone else arrived so what's there to post?