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No Kidding! That's why tele-squirts and aerialscopes are not "climbing ladders" they are for emergency escape only. Somers ladder as well as all sutphens's are not escape ladders, they are aerial platforms.

Yes, LADDER 18 is a Sutphen 95' Aerial Tower. It's a long story, and nothing to be sorry about. As far as most of us are concerned it will always be LADDER 18.

I can't talk about Mohegan, but do have the money for us to replace all of our pagers, plactrons, and siren activation points?? Sometimes things sound good, but then the good old dollar figure comes into play. Don't you think that we were smart enough to come up with the same solution?? Unless someone wants to give us some money to do a change over, it's not happening. We have our own District Wide frequency that we use and rely on pretty heavily, mostly because we can hear or talk on 46.26 because of all the traffic. I would love to change over to that completely, but don't have the money to do it. Instead of trying to get departments off of 46.26 at this point, how about someone regulating the output power and these 400 mHz cross band repeaters? Mohegan was bad enough before, now they can set off a pager under the Throgg's Neck bridge!! (yes, I was there this weekend and my car radio picked them up like the dispatcher was sitting in the car with me!!

What about LADDER 18?? No it's not being replaced anytime soon, maybe another 10 years or more. We are talking about replacing an Engine with a new 75' straight stick Quint and have 2 ladders. I think 2 years is more than enough time, I know the work I put into it!!! E-183 will be gone, at this point, it might go as a trade in, an the company who gets the bid will sell it, or we may sell it ourselves, it's to early to tell. But it will be going. We did not use an apparatus architect, and yes we spoke with numerous other departments and apparatus vendors. Every apparatus committee should seek as much info as possible, when "specing" a vehicle.

Other than chassis, it is nothing like Darien's. Darien's is walk in, and has no upper storage.

OK, OK- This info was posted in another forum previously, but here it is again: - Spec is for a Spartan Gladiator Classic 6-man chassis -or- equivalent. - Box is a 18'9" Walk Around with rear walk-up stairs to upper storage compartments. - It will be new! - It will have a 15' 9000 watt Light Tower, with 7 other 1000watt quartz lights around the vehicle including the front. Powered by a 35kW Onan PTO generator. - It will have 1 Oxygen "K" Tank for MCI/ Disaster use, just like our old Rescue. - NO Cascade! We are surrounded by them! - It will not be overweight, as I said we worked hard for over 2 years to make this right! The old Rescue 20 was a 1947 WLF Heavy Rescue, 1 of only 3 ever built. It is currently in the American Museum of Firefighting in Hudson. (I personally delivered it with Ex-Chief Bernal in Feb 2001). She was in front line service until 1987, replaced by QA-1, and retired in 2001. Our current Rescue is Engine 183, a 1996 Freightliner/ Pierce rescue pumper, which was only suppose to be temporary. Engine 183 will be sold upon receipt of the new R-20!

Actually there are several more dept's that were licensed on 46.26 before "County Control"- Archville Ardsley Bedford Hills Buchannan Croton Eastchester Greenville Hastings Irvington Larchmont No Tarrytown (Sleepy Hollow) No White Plains Ossining Peekskill Pelham Pelham Manor Purchase Scarsdale Somers Tarrytown Vista Montrose VA

The Village of Larchmont/Town of Mamaroneck VAC will be starting construction on a new building very soon. The temporary quarters will be at the TMFD on Weaver St, during construction. (the VAC is moving there this week)

I agree! The problem is that "Good Ol' County Control" made the "Mini-Attack" designation back in the late 1970's, and back then the only "Mini's" around were "Brush Trucks". Now that NFPA has a seperate catagory for "Initial Attack Apparatus", the County should change again, and make all "MA's" meet the NFPA requirement, just as they are with the other apparatus. As for the true "Brush Trucks", designate them just that- Brush! So for Somers instead of MA-13 and MA-14, it would be Brush 13 and Brush 14, because they are truely brush trucks and not designed to meet NFPA Inital Attack Apparatus specs!

Yes, Engine 182 is still in service! It is located at Somers House, 2nd Due Engine. It is basically a spare, but still sees occasional front line service from time to time. 182 was removed from front line service in 1990. Not permanently removed from service. And the seagrave owners website photos are not found, we know they are there and we (ok I) put them there and is linked on the SomersVFD website. Thanks for looking!

I guess Mohegan grabbed 134 and 135 from Somers when the 1940 Diamond T (E-134) was redesignated Engine 180 and the 1943 Ford (E-135) was redesignated Engine 185 in 1958.

OK, My turn- I agree with everyone that is calling a Ladder a Ladder! That's why we call ours Ladder 18. Yes it's a Sutphen, but it is both an aerial and a tower. In fact, where it came from in MD it was designated "Aerial Tower 18". The committee even thought of leaving that designation on it, just to make some more discussions. The old Ladder 43 in Kisco, was what was known as a City Service Ladder, these were very popular in the 40's-60's. They are still Ladder Companies! They did not have an aerial or bucket, but they carried all the ladder company equipment, and ground ladders. The county should designate every Ladder Company a "Ladder", period! Whether it's a Tower Ladder, Aerial Tower, Straight Stick, City Service, Mid-mount, rear-mount, snorkel, bronto, or whatever else can be put on top of them, they all perform the same fireground function- Ladder Company.

The last one Somers did was in 1981 for our 50th Anniversary. We are planning a new one for our 75th in 2006!

No date as of yet, but should be under a year. I'll post as soon as I know.

Now that I'm back home, I can answer some of these posts- The idea of going with all Aluminum is just what Seth stated about Boston. Galvaneal is not worth it, and S/S is expensive, and for what? The KME Preditor is only available in Aluminum Cab, so we decided to go with all Aluminum construction. No we do not plan on keeping our Engines for more than 20 years. Our current replacement schedule is for 12 years of service. It's intersting to note that both 185 and 186 were refurbed in 1990, both with all Galveneal construction, both with more than 12 years on them, with no rot! :-k As far as getting L-48, yes L-18 (1989 Sutphen Tower) will also remain there (GSFH). The idea behind this, is that the Tower will respond first due to commercial areas, and the Quint will respond first due to residential areas. Also, with the new addition to the water district, and the new hydrants, the entire first due area of the "Big House" is now hydranted, therefor the Quint could and should be used as a pumper in it's first due area.

Sorry, my bust! I obviously thought you were referring to the veterans points.

The "5 point" system is very fair! The 5 points are awarded to combat veterans! I'm one. We were there when our country needed us, and served in an area, where we could have lost our lives protecting your freedom! To get these points, an applicant must prove that he/she has been awarded a specific campaign medal, generally by a DD-214. This system is NYS law, if a combat disabled veteran wants to take the exam, it's 10 points. This is definitly a FAIR system.

Date: 2/18/04 Times: 2133-Still Ongoing Location: 149 Bannon Avenue, Village of Buchanan Frequency: 46.42 Units Operating: 2551,2552, E160, E161, R26, Verplanck TL46, Croton E119-FAST Description: Working fire in #1 Floor of Bannon Avenue Apartments. Reports of possible occupants trapped. Writer: RES20CUE UPDATE: 2152- Peekskill E134-FAST and Montrose E121 to scene UPDATE: 2220- Montrose TL8 to scene, Ossining L42 to Montrose- Back Fill

KME put in the bid for the new Predator chassis, and the committee had a special opportunity to view and play with it a little before the decision was made. The only one of 4 built, was recently at the Long Island mega-show, but we had a sneek preview the night before in Rockland. It met our needs and I was personally impressed with the low step-in height, and low height of the hose beds. The cab and body sits approximately 6" lower on the chassis then the other competitors and the older Excel chassis. Also, having a 1000 gallon booster tank, we usually have to "suffer" with high hose beds, which make operations tougher, and much more unsafe, in the winter with icing, so this rig should serve us well. Of course, a big draw-back is the fact that it is "brand new" and not proven anywhere else yet, however the company and their other chassis have been proven in the area, and hopefully won't be an issue. Yes, it should be the 1st in Westchester and probally in NY, depending on delivery date, and if anyone has already signed a contact for one ahead of us. Another SOMERS first!

Minimum requirements for Career Firefighters are listed in New York State Executive Law, Section 159-d, Part 426. There are NO requirements for Volunteers! It is left up to the "authority having jurisdiction".

Is there a Department in Westchester that has NEVER operated a Seagrave?

I don't believe that "in your department" that the attendant is NOT used in patient care. If I happen to have an attendant riding with me, I have them do almost all the patient care, under my supervision, so they can learn, after 15 years of doing this, the younger generation needs to learn to take over! If this is occuring, it is the fault of the EMT who is riding, not the Dept. Maybe you should advise your officers, so they can speak to the EMT's.

Anyone interested- Here is where the old Engine Company 180 (1975 Oren) presently is: http://www.northeastfire.com/product.asp?id=217 and still for sale since 2001!

Mechanically, this was a great rig. The big problem, with most apparatus built in the 70's, it was rotting out all over! Some of the compartments had just about no flooring left in them! We never had a problem with the cab, you must be thinking about another rig. I'm not to sure why we didn't go back to Seagrave in '75. That's a good question for me to look into!

The physical agilities don't need to be done to certify the list. They call a group at a time to do the agility, as needed, and as the list is used up. Obviously, the top names on the list would be called first for the agility after the list is certified.