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Date: 06-19-10 Time: 1300 PDT Location: Del Taco Restaurant, 2007 Highland Avenue, c/s Sterling Avenue Departments: San Berandino SO Description: Man with two guns walked into restaurant and opened fire killing two and wounding two before turning the gun on himself. Two wounded are in critical condition. Identities and motives not yet known. Links: Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

Date: 06-19-10 Time: 0930 Location: Eastchester Creek near South Fulton Avenue drawbridge Frequency: Units Operating: Pelham Manor PD, WCPD, MVPD, WC Medical Examiner Weather Conditions: clear Description Of Incident: Body of unidentified male found in creek. Investigation ongoing. Reporters: Writer: Chris192 for Truck4 http://www.lohud.com/article/20100619/NEWS02/6190358/Unidentified-body-found-in-Eastchester-Creek--Pelham-Manor

Interestingly enough, they say that unemployment benefits would not be paid during a state shutdown. I have no idea why that would be but that's what they've been saying.

Date: 06-17-10 Time: 2300 Location: IFO 240 S 7th Avenue Frequency: MVPD Units Operating: MVPD, EMS, Medical Examiner Weather Conditions: Cloudy Description Of Incident: Male jumped from roof to his death. Same subject who was successfully talked off the same rooftop in April. http://www.lohud.com/article/20100617/NEWS02/6170408/Mount-Vernon-man-jumps-to-his-death-from-Levister-Towers--cops-had-thwarted-prior-try Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

Date: 06-17-10 Time: ongoing Location: Area of the Staples Center Departments: LAPD Division, Metro, Aviation and K-9 Description: Numerous large disorderly groups leaving area of Staples Center after Lakers win in game 7. Numerous fires, cars being overturned and windows broken, shots fired, and assaults. At least one incident with an officer injured. Major mobilization of LAPD units. Multiple arrests being reported and requests for additional airships in area. Some groups reportedly as large as 500 people. Additional incident - crowd reportedly trying to overturn a transit bus. Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

Date: 06-16-10 Time: 2130 Location: 7 Puritan Woods Road Frequency: Units Operating: Harrison FD, Harrison PD, Harrison EMS, Rye FD, Port Chester FD, Mamaroneck FD (Village and Town), Con Ed Weather Conditions: Cloudy Description Of Incident: Spontaneous combustion is being blamed for 2-alarm fire in private residence. No injuries reported. Reporters: Writer: Chris192 for Truck4 http://www.lohud.com/article/20100617/NEWS02/6170410/1018/Harrison-house-fire-started-in-debris--stain-and-thinners

Date: 06-17-10 Time: 1230 Location: Somers Town Center, Routes 202/100 Frequency: Units Operating: Somers FD, Somers EMS, Westchester EMS, State Police, Somers PD, NSYEG, County Haz-Mat Team Weather Conditions: Cloudy Description Of Incident: Noxious smoke condition in store resulted in evacuation of six businesses and treatment of nine people at area hospitals. Reporters: Writer: Chris192 for Truck4 http://www.lohud.com/article/20106170413

This thread is reincarnated from another that was perceived to be questionable because it was based upon a specific incident also posted on this site. This thread is GENERIC and/or HYPOTHETICAL and should not be construed to be based upon any recent incident or events regardless of what prompted the question. So, the question is this: When is it appropriate to terminate field resuscitation and who should make the determination to do so? Those who posted in the other thread are invited to re-post their responses so long as they are not specific to any recent incidents or events. Thank you!

Date: 06/16/10 Time: 0055 Location: Genesee River near Silver Lake Outlet (Livingston County, NY) Frequency: numerous Units Operating: State Police Troop E, State Park Police, Livingston County SO, Local EMS Weather Conditions: clear Description Of Incident: Four kayakers rescued by State Police Aviation after becoming lost on the Genesee River. Located by Aviation during search at about 12:55 AM. Transported to State Park Police HQ and treated for exposure/dehydration but no major injuries reported Reporters/Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

If you're talking about the Town PD and it's workload, I'd have to speculate that they can. If you're talking about fire or EMS I'd say that should go to 60-Control and not the County PD. But since I think (and someone else may have said the same thing already) that FD and EMS are dispatched by the Village it won't be an issue. The Village PD's volume probably would be a strain on the Communications Unit but I don't think the town's volume would be.

Date: 06/15/10 Time: 0100 Location: 7600 block Sharon Lakes Road, c/s South Boulevard Departments: Charlotte FD, Charlotte-Mecklengburg PD Description: Fire in a Pizza Hut restaurant spread to four other businesses in a shopping center before being brought under control. Links: Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

There will be a rally in Yonkers today at 4:30 PM in front of City Hall to protest the proposed layoffs and cuts to the Police and Fire Departments. Supporters are requested to wear red for the FD or blue for the PD and muster in front of the respective headquarters - 5-7 New School Street for the FD, and 104 South Broadway for the PD. The Yonkers PD PBA put together a video on the subject that can be viewed here: Posted at the request of members of the affected unions.

Wow, very jaded and cynical of you and I'm usually the cynical one. You're saying that 80% of the calls in May weren't covered? That's alot and would certainly explain why the paid crew was needed. Let's do some more hypothetical math (bnechis gives one set of numbers, this will probably be different). Your numbers imply 100% collection which is simply not realistic. Of the 2000 total calls, let's say 25% go to mutual aid. Of the 1500 calls remaining, let's say that 20% result in no transport (unfounded, no patient, RMA, etc.). Now there are 1200 calls with a patient transported. They bill $400 per call x 1200 or $480,000. If they collect 75% (a pretty high percentage and quite unrealistic) the net is $360,000. Operating expenses for Mohegan include fuel, insurance, rent on their building (apparently), equipment, supplies, etc. This must add up to a sizeable chunk of change. Manpower isn't free even if people don't draw a salary. There's insurance, uniforms, personal equipment, workers compensation, etc. The fire district is already receiving tax funds to respond to EMS calls. Many will argue with you that EMS calls are a responsibility of the FD also.

[sigh] Nothing at all is improper about volunteer fire protection. The way I read that is town A shouldn't be forced to subsidize the fire protection in town B. Town A pays all it needs to so that adequate fire protection is provided. Town A could very well be a properly staffed and equipped volunteer fire department; proper coverage is not predicated on paid or volunteer. [/sigh]

Date: 06/14/10 Time: Location: Zitacuaro Mexico Departments: Mexican National Police Description: At least three separate ambushes of police in this Mexican province have resulted in at least 26 deaths, including 10 national police officers. Numerous others wounded. One four truck police convoy attacked when drug gang members blocked road with burning bus. Links: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/14/mexican-federal-police-killed-gang-attack-near-high-school/ Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

Date: 06/13/10 Time: 2330 Location: Park St between Astor Place and Prescott St Frequency: Units Operating: Jersey City PD, Hudson County Prosecutors Office Weather Conditions: rain Description Of Incident: Male shot in neck, transported to JCMC in critical condition. PD reporting numerous shots fired at scene. Reporters: Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

Date: 06/13/10 Time: 2200 Location: 81 Two Bridges Road Frequency: Units Operating: Fairfield plus numerous mutual aid departments Weather Conditions: rain Description Of Incident: Six alarm fire in an office building Reporters: Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

Date: 06-12-10 Time: 1004 Location: 334 N.W. 41st St. Departments: Seattle FD, PD, Washington State Patrol Crime Lab Description: Five people including four children killed in early morning house fire. First due engine couldn't pump due to transmission problem and another engine lost hose responding. Links: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/421700_fire14.html Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

Date: 06/14/10 Time: 0500 Location: I-95 between exits 40-41 Frequency: Units Operating: Connecticut SP, Milford FD and EMS, Milford PD, Connecticut DOT Weather Conditions: hazy Description Of Incident: Multi-tractor trailer accident with pin. Spill of diesel fuel and liquid latex Reporters: Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

Date: 06/12/10 Time: afternoon Location: 313 Maple Boulevard Frequency: Units Operating: FD's from Schuykill and Berks Counties, West Brunswick PD, County Prosecutor's Office, County Coroner. Weather Conditions: cloudy Description Of Incident: Structure fire with fatality to wheelchair bound occupant Reporters: Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

Date: 06/11/10 Time: 1930 Location: 2400 block S 8th St Departments: Milwauikee FD, PD, EMS Description: 4 alarm fire in vacant house with extension to exposures. 12 firefighters injured fighting the blaze. Links: http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/96190874.html Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

Date: 06/11/10 Time: 0400 Location: South Gessner Departments: Houston FD, PD, EMS Description: Fire in a 12th floor mechanical room of a 12 story office building. Links: http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/100611-high-rise-mechanical-room-catches-fire Writer: Chris192 for Truck4

Date: 06/14/10 Time: 0830 Location: Couch Street Frequency: 868.775 Units Operating: Norwalk PD, CT SP, US Marshals, Westchester County PD Aviation Unit Weather Conditions: Hazy Description Of Incident: Double shooting with two fatalities. Perp search ongoing. Reporters: Writer: Chris192 1200 - Aviation requested to assist with search of area for suspect. K-9 also recalled. Westchester County PD Aviation responding (CT SP Aviation not available). 1235 - Suspect apprehended by Norwalk PD K-9 in wooded area. http://www.wtic.com/Norwalk-Double-Homicide-Suspect-in-Custody/7462219

Using your line of reasoning, should the arsonist who started the blaze that killed Patrick Joyce be charged with his murder? After all, the FD wasn't even there when the fire was started and fire/smoke wasn't the cause of death. Should we go back to cross examining rape victims about what they were wearing? Your example of a speeding ticket is apples and oranges. If someone physically resists a police officer, they have a much greater responsibility for what happens. Having medical conditions doesn't automatically disqualify someone from being a police or firefighter. Creating a situation that causes the death of a police officer (and others) while committing certain crimes does give rise to a charge of murder so the fact remains that the skell he was running after contributed to his death. Where do we draw the line? The line is already drawn in the law and sadly this guy will probably get away with murder because he only committed a misdemeanor. Had he committed a robbery he could be on the hook for murder. And by the way - traffic offenses are not offenses that could do this.