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You guys need to read the PDF file Chris linked if you're truly interested in this story, as it contains the answers you guys seek.

The firehouse was completed and occupied by the summer of 2006. They are talking about 10-100, the Park St house, quarters of Jackson Engine and the Fire Patrol. The house also serves as the Dept/District HQ. Consolidate all eight companies under one roof? You must not be familiar with the area they cover if you're asking that question. It wouldn't be very realistic to consolidate just the six companies in the heart of the village, much less bringing Empire H&L in Upper Nyack and Orangetown Engine in South Nyack into the discussion.

ALS hit the nail on the head, and it's the old cliché of "they sure don't build things like they used to!" Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure many of the rigs us 30 and 40 year old hold in high regard that were built in the 60s and 70s and even 80s, the old timers probably looking down on as not being as well built as the rigs they grew up with. However I can say with absolute certainty that the Pierces of today just don't have the same feel to them that the Pierce rigs I grew up on had. You can't even specify the material you want the cab made from anymore, it's aluminum or bust (speaking strictly of Pierce here). Same with the body, unless you specify you want galvanized or stainless steel, aluminum is the default and in some cases, the only choice (midmount tower ladders). Speaking of aluminum vs steel, I get a kick out of how our Pierce dealers back in the day used to trash aluminum aerials as being "weak" and "dangerous". Now that Pierce has their own line of aluminum aerials, all of a sudden the tune has changed, and aluminum is the cat's meow! I'm not naive, I understand how marketing works, but that doesn't mean I can't be amused by it!

Canopy cabs are way too common to include in this discussion, and there are certainly a good number of them still in service. Nearly every cab built in the 60s, 70s and 80s was a canopy style, from the ever popular Mack CF series, to most American LaFrance cabs, to most of the early Pierce Dash cabs, to Maxim, Ward LaFrance, Young, Hendrickson, etc etc etc. Of course, that all changed with the release of the 1991 edition of NFPA 1901, which mandated fully enclosed cabs for all new apparatus and major refurbs, among many other significant changes to apparatus. You could easily argue that NFPA 1901 (1991 Edition) to this day has had the most impact on the fire apparatus industry, and is more or less responsible for the demise of Mack and other players in the fire apparatus arena. Here's a video on Duddy's YouTube that shows Haverstraw's rig responding and operating at one of its last fires after 40 years of service.

The only time an E-One looks good to me is when it's recycled into BEER CANS!

Rescue H&L Haverstraw's 1969 Peter Pirsch TDA "4-99" runs with a roofless cab. It was delivered with roof intact, and was cut off not long afterwards. Sadly, the aerial has failed inspection a few weeks ago, and is now in limited service until it can be replaced with a new rig. Truly the end of an era.

Date: 12/01/09 Time: 1000 hrs Location: Town of Clarkstown, Rockland County Frequency: 154.725 (151.4 PL) Units Operating: Clarkstown PD (201), Rockland County Sheriff Patrol (70), NYSP, Rockland County Aviation (Chopper 1), Rockland County Field Comm Unit (Command Van), various local law enforcement with K9 units Weather Conditions: 40 degrees and overcast Description Of Incident: Manhunt for Homicide Suspect Reporters: Writer: res6cue Clarkstown PD is currently conducting a manhunt for a homicide suspect from late Sunday night. Gym teacher beaten, stabbed to death | LoHud.com | The Journal News Ops can be heard on this live feed for those out of radio range of the Rockland Countywide PD Repeater: Southeast Rockland County Police and EMS Live Scanner Audio Feed

Here's a slightly older version from 2006 that I had saved. It might be more accurate for a 2002 model than the current version. http://signal-12.com/docs/Rearmount%20Platform%20Rev%20A.pdf

https://www.pierceparts.com/index.php/library/application/pdf/1253042117_pm-a-om030-0909_web_.pdf If that link doesn't work for some reason, start here and click the Login as Guest link. The manuals are under the Technical Support tab. http://www.pierceparts.com

Yeah some of those old clips from the 80s are interesting, to say the least. The cassette tapes I took them off were in rough shape, especially the Spring Valley fire, so I did the best I could with cleaning up the audio. I actually look forward to 20+ years from now when guys listen to the clips I'm making now and get a kick out of them!

Jackson is green, you've got to really zoom in to see it otherwise Chelsea's marker hides it. My bad on the Rocklands, I'm going to go through the entire file this week and check/update it. Figure I'll add the GPS coordinates to the descriptions for anyone wanting to explore Rockland's firehouses, that'll make it easier for them to punch into a GPS device.

Thanks for the link! The site is obviously geared towards Rockland County, and is the old "res6cue.com" with a new domain name.

You're welcome...since the audio was edited by me and came off my website

I find it very curious that the article makes absolutely no mention of the handful of New Square residents who DID join Hillcrest a few years ago. Where are they now? Are they still active members? If not, why? Funny how none of this is addressed in that article, instead making it seem like the idea of New Square residents joining Hillcrest is some new, novel idea. Note the two gentlemen on the right in this photo from the Park Ave fire back in Dec 2006: There is SO much more to this saga than meets the eye and is written about in the paper. I really shouldn't even be posting on this topic, I deleted my previous posts for good reason, but this is just getting ridiculous now with the misleading articles being printed. I'm getting concerned that the FD is starting to look like the bad guys here, which could not be further from the truth.

I'd really like the American LaFrance name and legacy (what's left of it, at least) to finally be retired with some dignity. And to think, back in 1985 when they moved from Elmira to Bluefield, I thought those rigs were tarnishing the legacy of the once proud ALF name. Turns out, compared to what they've been putting out for the past decade, the Century 2000 rigs were jewels (the Patriots were junk, however). This sad sage just keeps getting worse and worse, and while some might disagree with me and like the early Eagle chassis, I never have.

Aren't they manufacturing REFUSE TRUCKS down at the Summerville plant now? How fitting, they've been pumping out garbage for years now.

Funny this topic comes up now, I just came across my old "Statue of Liberty" VF plates and thought about selling them on eBay. Those plates present an odd situation, as NYS never required them to be turned in when they were discontinued at the end of 2000 and the new style "Empire State" plates were issued. In fact, you had the option to keep your old tag # for a one time fee, which is why there are new style plates that don't fit the ABC-1234 format. In any case, you were allowed to keep the old "Liberty" plates, and they became invalid for use on all vehicles at the end of 2001. So, my feeling and understanding is that the state gave up ownership of those "Liberty" plates once they reissued the "Empire" plates without requiring the old, invalid plates to be turned in. I just called DMV and asked if I could sell or give away my "Liberty" plates, and was told "Sure, they haven't been valid in years, it's not a problem" Although he did caution that just for the sake of avoiding any hassle, it would probably be best not to sell or give away any plates that have a tag # that is currently registered, regardless of the status of the physical plates themselves. He did confirm that the DMV does NOT reissue tag #'s. Hope this bit of info helps clear things up, at least about the "Liberty" series plates. Of course it goes without saying that I have none of this in writing, so proceed at your own risk and don't blame me if you get jammed up!

Nice work by the guys who spotted this nutjob. Just goes to show you really never know who is standing next to you, so be alert. One more fireground danger to be aware of, impostors.

This rig replaced 8-1250, the 1987 Simon Duplex/Young Crusader II (pictured below). The Young was housed at the Bardonia substation, whereas the new KME will be stationed at the main firehouse. Their 1991 Simon Duplex/RD Murray 8-1501 was moved to the substation back in October to take the place of the Young.

My point was that some snide remarks were made on RocklandFires right after Medic 25 got into an MVA with this new truck. Instead of expressing concern for those involved, the first two replies were along the lines of "Guess the new striping doesn't work!" So yes, it's a "good point" in that it reminds us not to be complacent even with all the lights, sirens and reflective striping in the world (as I pointed out myself), but my comment went to a deeper issue that I didn't think should be rehashed on another board in public.

Again with the mentioning of the MVA in the same breadth as the new striping. Unless you know the exact circumstances of what caused that MVA, why would you mention it again in public? All the striping, lights and sirens in the world won't stop bad drivers and stupid people from hitting emergency vehicles. You really ought to know better than try to make some lame point that the striping doesn't work based on one incident that you don't even know the details of.

Orangetown Fire Co.'s (Nyack FD) 1996 Pierce Dash took 1st Place Best Appearing Pumper. You got a great shot of it on page 13 (#150).

Fantastic shots, Bill!

Give Gerry Oliver of G&G Communications a call (585) 768-8151. He's right in upstate NY and is a hell of a nice guy. Last I checked I believe he has used good condition Minitor 3/4 standard desktop chargers for $22.50 each, plus a few bucks shipping. You're not going to beat that on eBay, that's for sure, most of them go for $30+. And yes, the 3/4 chargers are exactly the same and are fully interchangeable.

Once again, sir, you'd do well to keep your assumptions to yourself. You couldn't possibly know what areas I am or am not an "expert" in. Perhaps instead of advising everyone to "qtip", you ought to work on not making it personal as appears to be your style. Someone who makes backhanded remarks then issues a "get over it!" disclaimer after doing so grates on my nerves. Try acting more like a Chief and leader and less like an antagonistic teenager in your posts. QTIP! Seth - I was not suggesting it was your fault or that of the men that the equipment is in poor shape, be it from lack of maintenance or gremlins from the factory. I was merely saying that the escape ladder on the Scope should be a LAST RESORT, and if you wind up having to use it as often as your post suggests, there are some very serious issues that need to be dealt with to protect the firefighters operating that equipment.