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I can't find a pic of the rear of any ladder, much less L-21.

If it was this simple.....The charts for suction hose include, hose diameter, hose length. lift hight, Altitude and pump capacity. I don't know what the numbers for 2 1/2" is, but I do know of depts. that use a 3" squrrel tail suction to support a 250gpm attack (so it must move at least that much in the real world and at 5,000 ft above sea level). NFPA charts show: 4" at 500gpm max of 10 ft lift. 5" at 1,000gpm max of 10 ft lift. 6" at 1,500gpm max of 10 ft lift.

Stop bye, the public is always welcome as long as the rigs are not out on a run.

Yes, in civil service the answer is always "C" or "3" dpending on the score sheet.

No, he just wants everyone to know he hasa question.

You missed my point. When we have used "plain ennglish" we still do not get to correct response. We never used the "Westchester 10 code. We always had our own and 60 control agreed to use ours when we switched to them 20 years ago. True, but if the initial size up describes a working fire, but not the words "working fire" then you get nothing. We have found it much easier to get our personnel to routinly say "10-75"

Being a city dweller, I never considered that bears could spontaneously combust. Good Idea then to keep them away from the house. Maybe thats why Smoke Bear all ways said: "Only you can prevent forrest fires". He was trying to deflect the cause from himself.

Chris, can you add one more item to the poll? The age of the person answering the poll, I think it will be quite telling.

Correct. It was Union Hose Company until 1926. When they moved to the current house on Webster Ave.

"Ooh-ooh-ooooh!" thanks AHH-nol'd ............

Another 10 Code issue we found is the "key" words for CAD to indicate a working fire are problomatic. We use "working fire" to indicate the need to dispatch (if not already on the road) the 3rd engine, FAST, an Ambulance, Safety and relocation of units. We use "10-75" to indicate this. We have tried to get away from it and go with "plain english" and the results were: We have "smoke showing", or "Heavy fire from the roof" or stretching a line or some other discription, but since no one said the majic words "Working Fire" we did not get the additional resources that are listed that we get when we say "10-75"

NR still uses 10 codes and the county answers us in engish, sometimes they answer correctly and sometimes they do not. Plain english can be just as confusing as a 10 code when you do not understand what the meaning is. we use 10-20 to indicate a NON-Emergency response. Often the 1st due will advise incoming units to 10-20 to reduce risk. 50% of the time 60 Control responds with 10-4 all units respond non-emergency mode and the other 50% they advise all units to "Respond with caution". Our policy is to always respond with caution, so there is no reason to state it and it is not the instruction given to dispatch for relay.

Lohud Article NEW ROCHELLE — Aug. 1, 1966, arrived two months after Bob Dylan released "Blonde on Blonde" and less than a month before The Beatles gave their last public concert. In New York City, builders were about to break ground on the World Trade Center and Mickey Mantle was in the midst of his last good season at the plate. And in New Rochelle, Raymond "Doc" Kiernan reported for his first day of work as a firefighter. After responding to a handful of false alarms, he suited up and ran out to his first real fire. "It was a lady's unmentionables, burning in a dryer in a Laundromat," Kiernan recalled. "On Division Street. That was my first sighting of flames. "It shaped my career ever since."

NYS municipal law has 4 parallel tracks: County Law, City Law, Town Law and Village Law and in most cases while they may say the same thing, you can not cross from one catagory to another. Fire Districts fall under county law and any town can have a fire district or multiple districts, and multiple towns can share a fire district. So you could have a fire district that is the size of a county, but it would not be a "county fire District" and it could not include and city or village (municipal) fire departments (So in Westchester, the Cities of Mt. Vernon, New Rochelle, Peekskill, Rye, White Plains & Yonkers can not be included and the village depts: Ardsley?, Briarciff?, Croton?, Dobbs Ferry?, Elmsford?, Irvington?, Larchmont, Mamaroneck (village), Mt. Kisco?, Ossining, Pelham, Pelham Manor, Pleasantville?, Port Chester, Rye Brook, Scarsdale, Sleepy Hollow? and Tarrytown?. (The ? are because I was not sure if any of those depts are municipal village or a district, but I think most were municipal) Assuming all of the above depts are as I classified, 24 depts can not be part of a district (the village depts could be disbanded and merged into districts). A little of both. Since the current law (which dates to the 1800's) says you cant have a county FD, The state would need to pass a new law to allow it and all those members who do not want it will be calling albany to vote no, and nobody is calling for it to happen.

The town of Ossining may have the right to contract with another dept. to cover unincorporated areas of the town, but they have no say in Municipal coverage of villages (if the village has a Fire Dept.) And the county does not have the abilty to provide the service anyway. The Town of Mt. Pleasant is completely covered by Fire Districts (no Municipal depts). They voters or the boards of Fire Commissioners can cause consolidation, but the town has no say. Agreed we need to consolidate at all levels. How many of those generations are fighting to hold on to traditions, but no longer respond to calls. "If you are not part of the colution, you are part of the problem" Westchester has already invested over a Billion in Stations, apparatus and equipment. We do not need to spent any more money, we need to have fewer stations, fewer apparatus and use the savings to pay for firefighters to actually show up.

Great idea 1)Nye does not allow for county FD's. I rememebr that it took years to pass laws to allow county Hazmat teams and then later county special teams and there was no groups opposing this. 2) county governments, along with all other governments were just given a tax cap that will force reduction in county services, so even if it were legal, its not going to happen. 3) Compact quints are useless as they do not nothing well. You would only add paid crews in areas where they already tone for any availble driver and crew for a call....you can have less volunteers than zero.

While fundamentally I are 100% correct, 18 y/o military personnel are very well supervised and much more focused than their civilian counterparts. Why do we prevent young adults from legal drinking, because they prove that time after time they can not be trusted. The fact that it is illegal and completly ignorred by teens and adults alike kind of proves the point. Why do insurance companies charge more for males under 25 than any other group, because they have more accidents than any other group.

This has come up before and the under 21-25 year olds always argue that they have enough experiance and those older (who at 18 said the same) always say they dont have enough. The insurance industry says you do not have the experience. They claim that under 25 has more accidents and in many cases they will not insure emergecny vehicle drivers under 21. If they will allow younger drivers they charge a very large additional fee for the privalage.

White Plains for Special Ops ALS. THe vote was scheduled for the last meeting, but DOH, did not complete the paperwork in time.

1) Yes the standard says both to be reflective. 2) There is a % to be covered. I do not like the idea of not haveing the outside edge covered, drivers may think the rig is narrower than it is.

How do you define high? The bottom of the bed on the left (or top) is approximatle 6 feet from the rear step, while the one on the right (or bottom) is 3 feet. While they are for different environments and carry different amounts of water & hose. what is high and how critical is the height of the hosebed?

The picture shows it in Springfield, MA. last weekend. It has not been delivered or accepted yet.

Did the mid inspection today. final should be the end of April The men asked for a low hosebed......

What a great idea. nice set up with a crane to launch it.