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They do not have the legal authority to fine or suspend them.

Who threatened them?

1) Yes all agencies in the state are required to have them and about 1 year ago they were reviewed and updated. There were a number of issues for some because the coverage areas in the CON (certificate of need) did not match what was being covered, the best example was Tarrytown & Nyack. They each cover the TZ Bridge, TVAC going north & Nyack south. but the CON's say they cover the eastern 1/2 and western 1/2 (to the county line). Was corrected, while minor it is a legal issue. Was critical to prevent medicaid/medicare fraud for operating out of area. 2) yes & no. DOH has the legal ability to suspend a CON and they have done so but not for failure to get out. If they did there would be far fewer vacs in the state. REMAC has the ability to suspend ALS coverage, technically failure to cover 24hr/day is a reason, but they rarely (if ever) have used it for that. Neither can order someone to cover, thats left to the community to get coverage after their regular agency has been suspended.

While it can be used on A...very expensive to do so and of no value.

I am not suggesting RLS for relocates, but playing devils advocate here "or responding to, or working or assisting at the scene of an accident, disaster, police call, alarm of fire, actual potential release of hazardous material or other emergency." If I am responding to an alarm of fire just not to the scene and have been assigned to standing by in another fire station or in stagging, and since they have specific prohabitions to RLS (returning to qtrs) where is it illegal to do so? There are always civil or criminal penalties if you crash...RLS or not. I am not a lawyer, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night.......

How dare you speak the truth!!!! To bad departments (both PD & FD) will fight harder to prevent change than they fight to ensure they are providing the service that the community has been lead to believe that they get.

1) yes we know that the calls are not evenly spread out, but my point was its more likely that the covering dept will have a call than the requesting one. Your "standby" response answers that issue. 2) Depends on the dept. The larger ones generally do not need to (as they have the resources to cover most incidents, they would need to call in ot or get released if while covering they themselves had a working fire), the smallest ones need to. The county mutual aid plan requires the responding mutual aid depts to cover their own costs, except when their is a loss of equipment (as per NYS GML). When the dept. eats the cost, it is so that when they need help they get it, since otherwise they may be too small to handle their own workers.

They average one call every 2.4 days. since they are out on a call, statistically they should have returned about 58 hours before the next call. It is more likely that the mutual aid community will have an incident than they will.

Nope, they are the responsability of the fire chief

There are volunteer rigs in our county that run about 30 calls per year (maybe 1st due at a fire every 3 to 5 years). They last 25 years, thats 750 calls in the vehicles lifetime. There are FDNY rigs that do 5,000+ calls per year, thats 50,000+ calls and who knows how many fires. The FDNY rig does more calls in 2 months than the volunteer rig above does in its lifetime. You can not compare the two. Better quality - Really? Better features - maybe, but are they needed to get the job done? Better condition - yes, except for the flat spots in the tires from sitting so long

STATE OF NEW YORK ________________________________________________________________________ 4086--A 2013-2014 Regular Sessions IN ASSEMBLY January 30, 2013 ___________ Introduced by M. of A. PAULIN, OTIS, ABINANTI -- read once and referred to the Committee on Corporations, Authorities and Commissions -- reported and referred to the Committee on Ways and Means -- committee discharged, bill amended, ordered reprinted as amended and recommitted to said committee AN ACT in relation to authorizing the public service commission, upon application by a municipality, to order costs for infrastructure main- tenance and access to be charged to all customer classes located in such municipality THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, REPRESENTED IN SENATE AND ASSEM- BLY, DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS: Section 1. 1. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, a municipality may apply to the public service commission to have any costs for infras- tructure maintenance and access it is charged by a water-works corpo- ration to instead be charged to all customers across all customer class- es located in the municipality provided the municipality has held a public hearing with notice on the matter and has adopted a resolution and determined by a majority vote of the total voting strength of its governing body that it is in the overall public interest to have such costs charged to all customers across all customer classes. Any savings achieved as a result of this action shall be applied to the property tax levy of the municipality which has adopted such a resolution in an amount equal to such savings in the following fiscal year. Within 120 days after receiving an application pursuant to this act, the public service commission is empowered and directed to issue an order requiring that costs for infrastructure maintenance and access be included in the rates charged to all customer classes and apportioned among all custom- ers located in the municipality and that such municipality shall not be charged separately or additionally for costs for infrastructure mainte- nance and access. The public service commission shall have the power to request any information that it may deem necessary from the water-works corporation or municipality so that it may issue an order as required by this section and may require that such information or application be in the form and manner as the commission may request. 2. Definitions. For purposes of this act: a. "costs for infrastructure maintenance and access" means all costs associated with maintenance and operation of infrastructure and equip- ment used in connection with the sale, furnishing, transmission and distribution of water for domestic, commercial, public and emergency purposes and shall also mean costs or charges associated with municipal access to infrastructure or equipment. b. "municipality" shall mean a city, town or village located in the county of Westchester. c. "water-works corporation" shall have the same meaning as that term is defined in section 2 of the public service law. S 2. This act shall take effect immediately. Interesting, this means that fire districts will have to get the town government to do the resolution to get the fire district out of paying. THat makes it unclear what would be needed in Eastchester (and others). Eastchester fire district would have to get town approval, but would it also need the villages of Bronxville & Tuckahoe to also approve?

LOL No WPFD had a couple of ladders out of service so they did not have a ladder to send, so the truck company drove down in a spare engine, but they operated as a truck.

No we are using a local dispatch channel. All of our MA has access and if we got some unit that did not, our guides have dispatch in our portables. When the county was designing the trunked system, we met with them and the engineers and they said it would not meet our routine needs and suggested we develop our own system....so we did.

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Not sure this will change. The law makes it possible for fire departments to stop paying for hydrant rentals and forces rate payers to pick up the tab. In otherwords, your tax dollars will not be used to pay for the hydrants, you will get a surcharge in your water bill. The good news is currently non-profits and big developments that are tax exempt (do to deals) will have to pay as well, spreading the total cost around

Nope our plan allows every portable radio in the county to operate on our fire ground, Today we had a little drill: FDNY, WC-DES (com unit), Eastchester (Eng), Fairview (Eng), Greenville (Eng), Hartsdale (Eng), Larchmont (Eng), Mt. Vernon (Eng), Montrose VA (Eng), New Rochelle (eng, lad, msu), Pelham (Eng), Pelham Manor (Eng), Scarsdale (Eng), White Plains (Eng, step ladder), Yonkers (eng, lad, com unit) & OFPC. (I think I got everyone) Doing live fire training, highrise and residential, FAST/Mayday training. Also working on command & communications issues. For communications, everyone was using one of 3 common fireground channels (based on scenario). everyone was able to talk to who they needed to. In addition FDNY & NRFD had E.F.A.S. operating and we could see each others radio traffic and we could see all of the FDNY maydays on our system as they came in. NRFD rolled out SIMS II as part of our EFAS command board. We were able to see the air levels of all NRFD & YFD scba's and their pass alarm status.

Also remaining local units (ln this case Engine 24) would not be able to hear/talk to the mutual aid units (if they switched to county 18) as locals stay on local dispatch. E24, Sq11, L75 & B2 responded to a smoke in a structure downtown, they need to hear/talk to each other.

New Rochelle M/A units do not use Fire 18, they use NRFD Dispatch

It cost clean waters either way. Westchester does not do it for "free", the county tax payers are paying for it. Federal Law "Sara Title III" allows for billing at any hazardous release and requires the spiller to pay all associated costs. Last year FASNY pushed a law through the state that would limit the ability for FD's to recover all cost. Luckily the State Chief convinced Cumo to veto it.

One thing to consider, many of the systems suggested are concerned with systems that either run many small or slower depts. Many of the suggestions do not work well in counties/regions that have a mix of small and larger depts. When you numbering system only allows for 1 digit for all the units (of a type), larger depts have a problem. Also some of these numbering systems sound great when you do 1 or 2 calls per day, but when you do dozens they become problematic. How many very large city or county depts use them? few

Then how do they handle "Engine" 1, "Ladder" 2 or "Rescue" 3? They can handle what they are programed to handle

and what happens when the dept has enough staff cars that we roll numbers. 2301, 2302....23010, 23011

They rarely called 60 control back then

That only works with a wild animal. Hazmat you have to out run the chemical and it does not stop at the 1st victim

If it was not so complicated, then why did they need a 3 digit number to identify 58 (or less, then) 59 (now) depts?