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While lack of hydrants does make fire operations more complicated, Preplanning or the failure to preplan is more the norm in communities without hydrants. 1) Having tankers is not preplanning. Having sufficient water sources at regular intervals, that are mapped out and clearly laid out is. NFPA & ISO has standards on this, but few depts. follow them. How many water sources (lakes, rivers, streams) could be used if they were just a little closer to the road? Communities with hydrants pay for them and get discounts on insurance for having them. Why not plan out dry hydrants at every water source? What about cisterns? 2) Having enough tankers, Regions that have better ratings then Westchester run with 1 tanker for each engine. Westchester has too many engines and not enough tankers. 3) The correct type of tanker, makes a big difference, but of more importance is standardization. Every tanker in a shuttle needs to fill, dump and maneuver in the same time frame. Generally Pumper/Tankers perform worst than Tanker/Pumpers in shuttles (they are much better as an attack unit in their own district, if they fit up the driveways). 4) Proper design of the supply system (fill, dump etc.) is critical to success. Their is a huge reluctance to improve on this.

Short course, Mine was over 1,500 hours. and that was 30 years ago. Plus unlike now they required at least 1 year ALS experience to get in.

LOL.....Motorola is a global company. They measure high demand in millions, not thousands. Also, how much money can they make selling something that is already out there in "high use". Much more money if everyone has to drop the existing system and start over.

White Plains Hospital and Montefiore Health System Announce Plans for New Alliance. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/white-plains-hospital-montefiore-health-193500368.html WHITE PLAINS, N.Y., Feb. 6, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- White Plains Hospital, a leading community hospital in Westchester County, and Montefiore Health System, a premier academic medical center and the University Hospital for Albert Einstein College of Medicine, today announced plans to form a new healthcare partnership. The Board of Directors of White Plains Hospital approved the signing of a letter of agreement to enter into a partnership with Montefiore at its February 5th Board meeting. This new affiliation enhances the missions of both hospitals as they continue to provide advanced, quality healthcare to their communities and an expanding service area of nearly 3 million people.

Politics, that's why. In the past its generally been between the insurance industry and the healthcare industries. What's different now, the government is in the middle of this.

I like that approach, I would hope most handle it that way.

While its not compulsory its usually how its handled. Career is handled in the same manner (employer pays) but different set of laws cover it. 209u & pension system laws.

The host only pays if its mutual aid, because they called them in. From an insurance cost, its a wash: NYS: I pay for my rigs & your rigs in my town and you pay for my rigs & your rigs in your town Other States: I pay for mine only (all the time) and you pay for yours (all the time). Same total risk.

The mutual aid agreement lists it so that everyone is aware. It is actually state law. The law goes back to the 30's which at the time, mutual aid was generally only called for major disasters. At that point it was felt that the requester should be responsible if the building collapses on a bunch of rigs. I suspect they never considered vehicle accidents in route to the incident. And some wonder why they get skipped and other departments that are further away get called.

I worked for many years with Sam. Hoping a quick and full recovery.

Like a good ship captain, she went down with her bus

The NIST studies scientifically prove this. Also better to get a fully staffed crew with a longer distance, than no one showing up, but the rigs are parked in the empty fire house just down the road.

Loosing? that was a long time ago, Then again what is the public expectation in a city that re-elects a mayor with a known criminal/drug history

Chief, thanks for the info. Technically NYS civil service law only allows list to be for 1 year with the local civil service commission allowed to extend it in 1 year (or less) increments up to a max of a 4 year list. They can extended at any time (before the test or during the lists life).

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/01/31/Owner-of-apartment-building-arrested-in-deaths-of-2-firefighters.html Owner of apartment building charged in deaths of 2 Toledo firefighters Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/01/31/Owner-of-apartment-building-arrested-in-deaths-of-2-firefighters.html#7QQOxxVEi99tdvHA.99Owner of apartment building charged in deaths of 2 Toledo firefighters Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/01/31/Owner-of-apartment-building-arrested-in-deaths-of-2-firefighters.html#7QQOxxVEi99tdvHA.99

Great Post. Should be required reading.

They do not attend, they do not vote, they do not volunteer, they don't want their taxes spent on it and they believe that they will never need to call 9-1-1. And as they dial 9-1-1 they pray to god that the PD, FD, EMS are well trained, properly staffed and equipped and they respond instantly. How often have we heard it took 40 minutes for them to respond (while the tape shows 4 minutes)? And with the me attitude that is growing, it will only get worst.

I bet it took a few minutes to drain down enough for the light to come on. By then they were operating and not looking at the dash board.

No its our private club and its about us, not about fire protection.

Perfect opportunity to actually consolidate then. Sadly most don't take the opportunity.

Usually no, but my 1st call as a medic had a 16y/o pinned in a car. Had a pulse when I 1st got to him, after lots of effort to get the tool set up and start extricating, he went into respiratory arrest, then cardiac arrest. then he was slid out the window on a board. Would it have changed the outcome......not likely, but the extra 30+ seconds, denied him the needed care (do to position). Note: the size up was completed before the tool was on scene and the position of the vehicle eliminated stabilization (the frame was solidly on the ground).

Greenwich responded to an ice rescue call in Tarrytown?

Found this gem. Its the largest model train layout in the World. Its located in Hamburg Germany. There are some very impressive fire operations as part of this. Even FDNY has a strange roll in it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACkmg3Y64_s Watch this overview 1st http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvrroMSyKzQ A Multi-alarm fire in a German Model City http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FLaw4il370 A brush fire in western USA, with FDNY responding http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBbE-zAQ5PE The US Space Shuttle, emergency on landing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRVE1Xup6g0 Commercial Airline Fire, model response Enjoy.

Are you kidding? If its someone not from the dispatch to this incident, it does not matter who it is, they are not in charge. If their role is NTSB, than that's their role. NTSB is not in charge of an incident, they are in charge of the investigation.

You bring up a number of great issues. 1) NYS Law specifically prohibits counties from running/providing fire protection. 2) Currently, all fire departments in Westchester are tax funded either through fire district tax or municipal tax. Their are mechanisms in NYS law to continue this under a consolidation. The bigger problem is how much does each property pay now and will they pay the same amount under a consolidation. 3) Very few. Most politicians are afraid to even bring up the issue as their have been many examples over the years of volunteer membership affecting the outcome of local elections. 4) Very difficult, but can be done with proper planning and openness. Generally when one looks at voter turnout (particularly for fire district elections) the public is not represented anyway. The service delivery can only improve. How many departments are now responding to a dryer fire? It use to be 1. 5) A single is not viable in such a large area.