Bnechis

"The City enjoys a Class IV fire rating which results in reduced insurance costs to the citizens of Bainbridge." So on ISO's open book test for fire protection they scored between 60 and 69%. Most schools call that a D or a failure. Reduced rates? well yes compared to no department, but I know a number of volunteer depts that are 3's. Even 1 VFD with no municipal water system thats a #4.

dont lift. I've used a 24' extension ladder as a ramp and slide them onto the floor with a SKED. Also dont use a metal stokes on the extra large patient. I watched a FD get called back to the ER to extricate the stuck patient. They had to cut the top rail and fold it flat (like a SKED).

Then L-42 should be on automatic response and not wait till we see if we need it. Once the engines arrive it is often too late to get a truck in. Lets try to remember that sometimes friends or family read what is posted here. I do not think they would like to hear it was a "good" burn....maybe a good stop would be better. Seth didnt say those onscene didnt work well, he pointed out that there needs to be better preplanning as can be seen by having to ask for L-42 and the timeline below. I'm going to assume that when Ossining was called (15:56) that it was for a working fire. If thats the case "FAST" should be automatic, not wait another 14 minutes to dispatch. Also why wait 35 minutes to call for ALS to the scene, if a FF goes down, you want it there as soon as its a working fire and again that should be automatic with FAST. Finally, 57 minutes to move up units to cover, again it should be automatic for a working fire, particularly in the heat.

PFD, PMFD, NRFD, EFD & GFD were onscene, while MV was covering Pelham (including a water cond call) before they got called up to the scene and MVFD's DC had their command board set up. That does not make him the IC

And on a lighter note: YFD was assigned by 614 to Rehab for the duration of the incident.

Today I attended a very moving unvailing of the memorial to Sam Otice, all of the responders on 9/11 and Peekskill FF's who died fighting the flishmans Fire (1913?). The statue and plaques are located in overlooking the Hudson river, next to the Peekskill R/R station. Well done. We will never forget.

Yes he did. Yes it went well, but the issue is lack of an IC. Who was incharge at this incident? Chris the issue is not can a Lt. be the IC. The issue is the job of the IC. The Lt. of the 1st arriving engine (along with 1 ff on the engine & 1 on the truck) was involved in stretching the 1st attack line and was also working to open up the roof. He did an excelent job, but he was not the IC once he was forced to operate as a firefighter. When I arrived there was 1 fire chief & 1 Assistent FC onscene, neither from Pelham and niether accepted command, nor was command established or passed to anyone. Shortly after that there was a descusion between the 2 fire chief that were there and niether accepted command for Pelham. Eventually there was a command board set up and their where 2 Fire Chiefs, 1 AC, 1 DC & 1 ADC plus Coordinators from DES and Pelham PD in the area of the command board but still no IC. Its a good thing that everyone knew what they should be doing and there were no surprises. Because it actually went well. Pelham hired a part time "Chief" he only works 19 hours per week. Yes they handled it well, but what happened in terms of command and the way the village handles it (not the FD) is going to get someone killed.

So the last couple of fires in Long Ridge didn't happen? or is it they are lying about volunteer rigs not responding to calls or showing up 20-30 minutes after SFRD? Please tell us are these lies? If the are eventualities then they must be the truth? Which is it...you can have it both ways. The leadership in the VFD's has claimed that the 61 career firefighters in the proposed volunteer FD will help them cover the volunteer daytime manpower shortage, But both Fires in LRFD and the missed calls have occured during the times they claim that they have good coverage. How many units are needed to properly cover No. Stamford? I have not seen any study and I do not know the area well enough to give a number, but I understand that there are 5 stations, now lets assume that each station in the new VFD staffs an engine and a 2nd unit (ladder, tanker, rescue, etc.) thats 10 units if we average it at 3ff's (most should have 4) thats 30 FF's per shift x 4 shifts is 120. If there comes a time that the volunteers are no longer willing or able to respond, then this will be the rock bottom number of career staffing that would be needed. Looks to me like I just doubled the tax. Oh what we have a promise that this wont happen........ If its not about the site, why do you keep bringing it up in your posts?

Perfect. ROFLMAO

So when ConEd's onscene supervisor asked who the IC was and the answer was ................................

Ancient EMS Proverb: Remember it is better to be pissed off, than pissed on

While There is clearly a time and place for any tool, one must be very carefull of always and never. In this thread a number of posts took the "never" (until the fire is out) side. Last year FDNY opened its new high rise simulator and they are now teaching the use of PPV as an attack tool in highrise buildings (they must be of fire resistive/noncombustible construction). They use it to pressurize stiars and hallways as well as removing smoke from different areas.

Only if the employeer requires it. NYS does not require local municipal employers to mandate this.

The puc only comes as a pump and roll, beyond that almost nothing is standard, everything costs extra (including this gauge)

Yes, and in a wildland unit one might need it, but how often will this unit pump and roll on Rt9?

Why does the driver need a pump pressure readout inside the cab above the drivers seat?

Agreed, that no one is going to ticket police cars, but it is possible that a LEO might write a FD or EMS agency, particularly if there are personality issues and if they dont work for the same municipality (i.e. local PD vs. VAC/Fire Dist or local FD vs NYSP) "self-insured" may make them think they do not have to address this issue, but most "self-insured" municipalities are not completely "self-insured". Most still have catastraphic general insurance, while they call themselves "self-insured", effectivly they really just have a major deductable ($1-$3 million). In addition, "self-insured" municipalities get audit by both the NYS comptroller & the NYS dept of insurance. When they experience "losses" they must justify them and often increase the amount of funding that is available for future liability. So additional liability costs them $$$ just like everyone else.

Chris, cant the same be said for municipal agencies that ignor the law and put blues upfront (PD) or in the rear (FD & EMS)?

The grant was redeveloped last year due to the national economic situation. The Feds now pay for 2 years 100% and the locals must agree to pay 100% of year 3 if they are hiring/expanding. if is to rehire laid off members the feds pay the 2 years and there is no requirement on the locals.

Agreed And its Barry not chris

Section 8 is paid for by HUD and can only be used for that function. If they cut it they have to give it back. For another thread.....you are right they do not deserve the 60" TV & sound

While FASNY thinks this will "hurt" volunteers, if the volunteer departments do not find ways to cover the calls, in the long run, they will have to hire career staff. Since this would be legislation for the volunteer fire service and the primary lobbying group (FASNY) is against it, its highly unlikely you will see this change.

Yonkers Fire was in an outside substation, where purple K is not effective. Purple K is generally only considerd in a sealled unit (usually below ground).

I am not sure about the legal status, but about 2 years ago I downloaded a list from NYS OFPC of the type of FD's in NYS and they listed x vol, x career and 3 (or) 5 paid on call depts.

There are are plenty of flashing lights on a fire truck that getting rid of wigwag headlights will not make any difference in moving traffic. But it sure is nice not to have any blind spots and to see any issue out front, even a missed pot hole can result in a major issue. I always turned off the wigwags and when the extra attention is needed, just flash the high beams. Works fine.