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HCR...Im not sure if the word critcizing is correct....I think those responding here have a genuine concern for those that read from this website and some of the tactics mentioned here were just downright DANGEROUS. Once again..maybe the comments were not mapped out into a perfect textbook scenario...but the one theme u would see common was the NEED FOR APPLICATION WATER to the fire room or area. You can call for many alarms and set up 42 sectors....unless someone starts water on the fire in the beginning stages of arrival..., destruction will occur, and by the time the 9 th engine arrives, you can have them respond to the demolition sector. True manpower dictates how many jobs you can get done, but I think what helps a lot of depts with that issue is Quick water on the fire. Once that water is established and applied...search can begin at the most dangerous area..closest to the fire and work from there, along with all the fireground necessities. Apparently with your post you have a staffed dept with assigned duties. That is great. BY the way...You may want to outfit your second due engine going to the floor above with some variation of forcible entry tools, because you have your second due truck going to the fire floor or fire apt and no truck company on the floor above to help the brothers or sisters get into the possibly locked apartment and also to search that apartment for possible trapped occupants! Im sure we have many new firefighters reading here and that is good. They are impressionable and I would rather see them receive right information than the WRONG stuff. Remember if you are posting hundreds of posts on here we have to think before we write...because with so many posts that SOUND really good...People begin to believe that what is said is THE WAY, and in reality it just may not be. " I meant this and Im meant that ..bull doo doo as far as i am concerned! You meant what you meant on your original post. I think those that read from here and have any type of experience know exactly what is what and can read through some of the posters! As long as we can learn from our mistakes, I feel this is a success. We want to work for a safe fireground and make sure each and every one of us goes home to our family and friends. That is our goal. Stay safe always to all who read from here.

ALS... I am glad you read the posts following your response where you specifically stated you would never make an initial attack on the above mentioned fire. See ALS we all can learn something new each day in the Fire Service and I think today is one of those days for you. Whether your a firefighter , officer, chief, Instructor, You never Know it all and most of what you learn in this business comes from the fireground.....Many people can state the BOOK tactics...but in reality, experience and true knowledge of the fireground comes from ACTUALLY being there and experienced each and every part of a Fire Operation. Im also glad you learned that your initial attack of water will start making things progressively better to your overall Rescue operation. You can also mention and bring in manpower situations....but do not divert from the intent of this forum....Fire Tactics at a Working Fire... and no matter what you manpower situation is you re not going to go wrong with a strategically placed hoseline...... And by the way...dont take anyone via the interior to the roof please during a fire in an occupied Multiple dwelling. I think they do that in the movies or maybe the comics...but i have seen some incinerated stairwells leading up to the roof and ALS if you have seen this, you would not even be thinking this.

Anyone that teaches LIVE FIRE SAFETY training should be extremely experienced in FIREFIGHTING otherwise you truly jeopardize your students safety. I would much rather have an experienced and educated instructor rather than just an educated instructor. This Chief does not sound like a safety minded person and should definitely not be in a chiefs officer position.

X2321, well said brother! While this is a great website, I wish it would turn more into an outlet for LEARNING, Learning how to be a better and safer firefighter, an exchange of fire training tips or stories which may help a brother or sister out in time of need. This is such a dangerous line of work we choose to be in and these threads are being spewed with hate, malice and plain old BS. And yes Brother, we are being baffled by some of the best in the business here, Im sure all these posters have done it all, crawled down many a hallway in their day ....YEAH RIGHT. How bout we rename this thread....How to BUILD morale in FIRE DEPARTMENTS? Hey that would be productive!!! Lets see if it works?

Brother Jones, u sound like an enthusiastic guy. Try to invite, nicely, some of these members to a course to show them that most of the state courses are actually pretty good and hopefully stress the basics. You can only try your best to convey that TRAINING is so important in today's day and age especially with fewer and fewer fires out there. The attitude change can begin with you brother..Good Luck! Stay safe all

LETS NOT FORGET ABOUT THE NYS PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS NEED MORE TRAINING AND BETTER FITNESS. GRANT IT ALL FF's SHOULD TRAIN THE SAME, AND HOPEFULLY THE PROBATIONARY FFS TRAINING THE CAREER SIDES RECEIVE IS NOT THE LAST OF THE TRAINING AND FITNESS. THEY SHOULD BE GUARDED AND MAINTAINED TO THESE STRICT STANDARDS EVERY DAY OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL CAREER. WHETHER THEY DO 1 RUN A TOUR or 10, THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROMPTLY RESPOND IN GOOD PHYSICAL CONDITION AND PROPERLY FINE TUNED IN THEIR FIELD. THOSE WHO WORK IN FIRE DEPARTMENTS WHERE FIRES ARE EVEN LESS COMMON OWE IT TO THEIR COMMUNITIES TO EVEN TRAIN MORE AND MORE AND MORE.

For any FDNY buffs.... My cousin told me the TOP 3 Busiest FDNY ENGINE COMPANIES for 2005 were : ENGINE CO. 75 ------ approx 5,700 runs --- this company is located in the west fordham section of the bronx..Jerome ave area ENGINE CO. 69 ------ approx 5,400 runs --- this company is located in the Harlem/ Washington Heights region ENGINE CO. 290 ----- approx 5,300 runs ---located in East New York Brooklyn Further particulars will follow i imagine with the Truck companies in theses firehouses being in the top 10 .... Ladder 33 , Ladder 28, Ladder 103 respectively.... Anyone with further info would be appreciated

The Fire Service is ever changing. Larry Alb comes from a period in time where the actual FIRE DUTY was a great deal more than it is now. Thus, yes Larry, im sorry i do consider you OLD and SALTY...... to translate this in laymans terms...Larry gained the majority of his experience from crawling down dark hot hallways, opening roofs with fire underneath the cut, feeling the steam from when the nozzle moves the first water on the fire, forcefully entering locked doors with fire and smoke behind it. See, this is the MEAT and potatoes of the fire service. This is still our main agenda ... to preserve life and property from the ravages of the Red Devil. And i truly believe the point he is trying to convey is the Fire service is like any profession.... the more you have done it the better you get at it.... A carpenter doesnt become a carpenter by building one book shelve..... But this is America, and yes everyone has their right to their free speech and opinion. An educated firefighter is absolutely wonderful!!!!!!!!!!! Combine it with experience and we have a WINNER in this business....throw in a dose of humility and a spirit of eagerness and openness and WE HAVE IT MADE... Be safe to all the brothers...

LARRY      WE NEED MORE OF YOU ON THIS BOARD. ITS REFRESHING TO SEE SOME OF THE OLD SALTY GUYS ARE STILL OUT THERE...MERRY CHRISTMAS BROTHER and thank you for shedding light to so many that need it!

BROTHER TRUCKIE, You bring up a lot of valid points and i agree with you brother. The whole attitude today in the fire service is changing. When i started out almost 20 years ago, I had a great deal of respect for my elders and i kept my mouth shut when i entered the door. i knew my place and I learned from those who stepped up and taught me how to be a firefighter, in the field and on the training ground. I found i learned the most from those who actually fought the most fires because they were teaching me from their experience and not from a Book. Another thing i can be grateful for is the DISCIPLINE that was instilled in me in my early years in the Fire service. This valuable tool is so needed in the early stages of a firefighters development otherwise a lack of understanding of how we truly operate will develop. I also truly feel that is up to the senior men to mold and develop their Proby. Years on the job or in the fire service mean nothing if those years were spent being useless. Hopefully the senior mans years were filled with fire duty, plenty of experience, and a knowledge of the real traditions of the fire service. People with little time and no experience should should keep their mouths closed and their eyes and ears open... but then again this might be too harsh in todays day and age... MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

GREAT WEBSITE!!!! SFRD can you tell us about Stamford a little bit more....regarding how many runs your department does a year..What is the ratio of Fire to Ems runs can u give us a breakdown on how many working fires u get a year. Thanks

I would like to say that 60 Control is doing a fantastic job taking over the dispatching responsibilities for the Port Chester Fire Department. They bring professionalism, experience and calmness to the table! Also there seems to be so much more radio discipline. Nice job goes out to the PC chiefs!

Brother and sister firefighters... Port Chester Fire Department will be sposoring a benefit seminar for the families of the firefighters injured and killed at the Jan 23 series of fires in NYC. Sat April 30 9am to 3pm .... Arrowood of westchester in Rye Brook on Anderson HIll rd. --- Capt Mike Lombardo from Buffalo will do truck ops in Private dwellings...Lt Tim Klett FDNy will do engine ops in Pd's and Ret Lt Bob Pressler will do strip mall fires!!! Pre register at LIVEBURNTRAINING@aol.com 35.00 pre register 40.00 at door some great donated prizes will be raffled off and a separate raffle for custom leather helmet will take place!!!!!! HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL AT THIS GREAT DAY OF TRAINING FOR A GREAT CAUSE

Anyone know if any westchester depts did a live burn drill this weekend?