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Date: 07-03-07 Time: 08:47 Location: IFO 34 Morningside Drive (Cross Streets: Sunset Drive & Lexington Drive) Units Operating: 2081, 2083, 2087, E118, E119, R18, 55B2, 36M1, Air 1, Croton PD Frequencies: 460.3250, 46.26, 156.150 Description Of Incident: Vehicle rollover, one in vehicle, FD removed roof and extricated subject. Driver hit at least two parked vehicles before overturning. Writer: Remember585 09:08 - Command requesting a Medivac, Air 1 dispatched. 09:10 - E119 dispatched to Croton-Harmon High School to establish a LZ. 09:45 - All CFD Units clear, CPD remaining on scene.

Date: 07-03-07 Time: 02:10 Location: 9-11 Bank Street (Cross Streets: Main & Park) PFD Units Operating: 2341, 2342, E-131, E130, TL45, R134, E132 M/A Units Operating: Mohegan 2261, 2262, E257 FAST / Cont. Village 2131, 2133, R39 / Montrose 2271, TL8 Other Units Operating: Battalion 10 / Peekskill EMS 75B1, 75B2, 75B3 / Peekskill PD / Cortlandt EMS 8805 Rehab Unit Standby Units: At Peekskill HQ: YHFD L51 / At Peekskill Sta. 6: VFD E126 / At Montrose HQ: OFD L41 Frequencies: 453.2250, WC FG 8, 46.26 Description Of Incident: Fire in a taxpayer. Writer: Remember585 02:17 - Mohegan FAST & Battalion 10 dispatched. 02:26 - Command requesting E132 to scene, Working fire. Peekskill EMS Dispatched to scene. 02:28 - Command requesting C&O Team to scene. 02:30 - Mohegan E257 "FAST" responding. 02:31 - E132 to setup in rear of structure. 02:33 - Command requesting Continental Village Cascade (R39) to scene. 02:35 - Command requesting Montrose TL8 to scene. Verplanck TL46 on Standby, not available, requesting Yorktown L51 to PFD HQ. 02:38 - Command requesting Con Ed Electric and Gas to scene. 02:44 - Battalion 10 requesting one Engine from Verplanck to PFD Station 6. 02:45 - R39 responding. 02:46 - TL8 responding. 02:47 - 60 Control re-dispatching Yorktown L51. 02:50 - R39 on location. 02:51 - 2531 responding, L51 "Momentarily." 02:52 - E126 relocating PFD Station 6. TL8 on location. 02:57 - E126 at PFD Station 6. EMS 7511 requesting Cortlandt VAC Rehab Unit 8805. 02:59 - 60 Control relocating an Ossining Ladder to Montrose HQ. 03:00 - 2531 reports L51 is enroute. 03:14 - 2334 & L41 enroute to Montrose HQ. Command reports Con Ed Gas on location. 03:15 - 2531 & L51 at Peekskill HQ. 03:16 - Command reports "Situation is Under Control." 03:27 - 2334 & L41 out at Montrose HQ.

Minimum is four personnel, no maximum is set. Rig fits eight, that's usually the most we go with. Although, there have been a few times we have had 12, 14, and one time 18 members - the 18 was a few years back on drill night......

It may have been brought up before but I didn't find it. What's everyone's opinion on the following questions. 1. How many members do you respond with as a MINIMUM? 2. Do you require SPECIAL TRAINING to be on a FAST? 3. What type of apparatus do you use? 4. What is some special equipment you bring on FAST calls? 5. How often do you train? Please feel free to add anything else you want to. I am in a "FAST state of mind" lately with the Charleston incident, Mike Neuner's 10 Year "Anniversary" and reading other forums. I intend for this to be informative so we can all LEARN FROM IT and not criticize each other. I am hoping to get answers / thoughts from brothers both paid and volunteer and from all over the place - I am curious to see how we all do things and if we are doing much the same. Thanks!

To the guys and gals of Brewster FD; THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU! Go to lohud.com for photos and more from the great service hosted by BFD.

Amazing, seems like everyone is afraid to touch on this subject. Sad, VERY SAD. What are you afraid of? We can all learn from each other here, PITCH IN!!! 1. How many members do you respond with as a MINIMUM? Minimum is Four Qualified Members, Large-Scale Incidents is Six. 2. Do you require SPECIAL TRAINING to be on a FAST? Basic FF Training (Essentials/IFA or BFF & IFF or FF I), Survival, FAST, CPR, NIMS, Skills in ropes and rigging, ladders, extrication / airbag equipment and building construction. 3. What type of apparatus do you use? Primary is an Engine (119), secondary is Engine (118) or Rescue (18). 4. What is some special equipment you bring on FAST calls? E119 has a stokes, RIT KIT, TIC, Multi-gas meter, K12 Wood Blade, Stihl Cutoff w/ Metal (or concrete) blade, Quik-Vent chain saw, cordless and corded saws-all, Holmatro manual extrication tool, irons, hooks, sledge, bolt cutters, rabbit tool, ropes for rescue and search, ladders (35', 14' roof, 10' attic, Little Giant) 5. How often do you train? At minimum once a month, every month we try and do something different. July is "Rescuing Our Own From An Aerial." Other drills this year included large-area search, hot bottle changes, hauling systems, firefighter removals and next month we're cross-training with some other teams. 6. Who do you use as your FAST? Primary is Ossining, backups are Peekskill, Yorktown, Mohegan, Millwood 7. How long does it take to get your FAST? Usually on road within 5-7 minutes.

Smoking vehicle? Makes you think twice about approaching your next car fire, doesn't it?

When's the next olympics?

Thanks antique - that's interesting and worth trying out. All I know is that I would love to see everything on reels.... but we know THAT is almost impossible...

It's the "Everyday - Every Call" rig - right? So what happens when it is out of service for maintenance? Does all that stuff get spread out over 2-3 other rigs? Good point too about the air-bags, I was thinking the same thing. I don't understand the packing of those bumper lines - how do they deploy? I am naive because I am used to seeing flat and accordian packs. I always like to see innovations to make life easier and am always impressed when new rigs come in and I see something new. It's a shame so many places still spec rigs because "the other guys have it and it's cool." Still seems a little overkill to me though, but I could be wrong.

If I remember correctly, I think it was Vincent Dunn who said you shouldn't enter a fire involving a truss building, but if it is a fire within the structure, use your best judgement. And, if I recall correctly, he also said if attacking a fire within a structure of truss construction to operate at least 3-5 trusses back. Anyone else hear this or read this somewhere? I took notes in the class but can't find the damn things. Reading the smoke, pre-planning, size-up, knowing the structure and TRAINING will hopefully help us keep ourselves safe.

I like your thoughts Walt & Tommy! I guess I should of made this a subject about "what's the coolest tool your FAST has." Maybe then people would actually contribute to the subject. Or I should of posted a video to watch - seems like that's the way to go to spark peoples' interest... I didn't expect much out of this - like the Training section which is static most of the time.

So I was looking at the photo of the new Yorktown Ambulance - nice and simple by the way - and was wondering.... Why, in 2007, do EMS agencies CONTINUE to NOT USE THEIR COUNTY DESIGNATIONS?! I have seen rigs still getting lettered with their old designations. What's worse is that the members of these organizations don't even know what radio ID they SHOULD be using! As a former EMS Officer, if I was running a scene where many Mutual Aid units were coming - I would like to know what I have coming - a BLS or ALS unit. Not some number that makes no sense to me! Anyone care to enlighten my naive-a**?

It's in bottles that resemble water bottles?! NOT GOOD! Or is it? I mean, if I bring some to work and......ah, never mind!

Most hospitals in WC make calls to local dispatch and EMS centers. The only downfall to this is that each dispatch center does things differently. For example, our PD may get a call and/or a fax, but the D.O. who takes that info may be on the road when EMS gets a call and the covering D.O. may know nothing about it. This applies to a lot of things when you rely upon word of mouth / paper trails. A good CAD system can keep everyone on point with things going on that people tend to forget mentioning to oncoming shifts...

I don't know how the rest of you feel - but I say we fry his a**! Thoughts and prayers with the CO, his family and colleagues.

Hey Georgie Boy - you do a good job too - even if it's a tree into a car!!!!

Where's all the equipment?!

Good stuff ALS & JohnVV, but in my eyes I think any person on the fireground making operational decisions must be willing to live with them the rest of their lives. We all know (or should know) that things happen in the blink of an eye, and we must base our decisions on the worst-case scenario, and in my eyes that is loss of life, not property. Buildings, like people, have a life span, but we can't rebuild a person. We should train ourselves to realize that laying down our lives for a building is not an option. We should train ourselve that putting a firefighter's life at risk for a civilian is noble and is our jobs, but we have to ensure we minimize that risk by, as others said, pre-planning, code enforcement, training and knowing our districts. I may be a small-town volunteer - but I treat every single incident as if the building has been designed to hurt me and my brothers and sisters. Being over-cautious as some would say will hopefully keep me alive long enough to see my pension....if it really exists!

I could be wrong, but it seems a little overkill to me.

I think rigs are getting bigger for a number of reasons. Here's what crosses my mind. 1. Cabs are bigger now because they are enclosed to safely seat everyone. Riding on the hosebeds is a no-no now so you have to put the troops somewhere. 2. An engine isn't just an engine in many places. In departments with less personnel and more responsibilities, an engine doubles as a rescue, a "Truck" and in many cases, EMS first-response. The added duties call for more equipment, hence more compartments. 3. Salesmen want that commission money, so they won't be quick to tell someone that the 11' high hosebed is a bad idea, if it means more truck that needs to be built. 4. Since an initial "blitz" attack of the traditional 500 gallons doesn't cut it in many cases due to all the crap burning in homes and cars, bigger tanks are more desired to handle the "smaller" stuff. Not to mention those without hydrants go for bigger tanks knowing additional water takes time to arrive. 5. Drawing misconceptions. I don't think a lot of people behind the designing of apparatus really understands how big the rig they've designed is until they actually see it. I know one rig that came in and surprised that Department when they finally saw it... I agree that the smaller rigs were genuine workhorses and they always did their jobs. As our fleet gets older I keep wondering what the homeowners will do next to shrink down our access to their homes. Hopefully they wise up and call the FD before making changes so we can ensure our apparatus can get to them! Gates, stone pillars, tree-lined driveways, mile-long driveways....I guess they don't want us to get to them anytime soon...

New quarters for E131/39M1.......only when ALSFirefighter is on though... At least Homestyle is right there!

Hmmmm...........

I don't know for sure what it is, but BOTH of those rigs are sharp!

It looked like a hell of a lot more people on that food line today!!! Congrats and good luck gents!