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Great topic! In addition to the lack of initial size-ups, there's been a drought when it comes to progress reports as well. One incident I listened to recenty, the FD was on scene for roughly one hour, and I never heard anything. As a dispatcher, we like to know what's happening, and the info that the IC can relay can be entered into your event's comments in case you ever need to refer to them on a report. As a Chief, I try to give a brief report on arrival, and provide updates as necessary. Last week, while waiting for several hours for a certain utility company to show up to an incident, I made requests every 20-30 minutes to have on record for the whereabouts of this utility. The 60 Control dispatchers were good about entering this info which came in handy when I completed the report. I've also been a big fan of the size-ups and progress reports so your responding members know what's going on, whether they need to go to the scene or crew a rig, etc. Hopefully this discussion prompts some more Incident Commanders to speak up and let people know what's going on.

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Sad news. I had Ray for several of the courses I took over the years. I also ran into him periodically at Phelps Hospital when he was there as a volunteer. Thank you for your dedication to bettering all of us, you will be truly missed.

I didn't intend to knock on Steve or the Somer FD at all, I just wanted others to know that some of his "points" are incorrect. I worked at Somers before WEMS did the dispatch. I know how they operate and I am sure if they ever wanted to utilize 60 Control, it would work out just fine for them. Just as it has for the other 40+ Fire Departments and several EMS agenices we dispatch every day. Coming from a department that only recently made the change, I know a lot of people feel it won't work, but trust me, not only does it - but it is an improvement. When you have dedicated communications personnel, CAD/IT staff & the GIS people that 60 Control has available, you simply get a better service. All of the arguements I have heard from every agency that is against it or thinking about it have yet to be validated. PS - Nice website, Steve. It's very well laid out and organized.

At Freeport's next Inspection or other function, I hope people have the sense of humor enough to put sacks of nuts at everyone's seat! I mean, that's what I would do...

The question as it is posted is kind of vague, in my opinion. 1. Define the Probie. In Department "A" he could be a new volunteer off the street with no training. In Department "B" he could be 11 months in, completed his FF I and other required programs. Department "C" probies could be paid firemen in their first year, post-academy. And, in some cases, a Probie could mean a junior member (below age 16). 2. In our department, we have "Probationary Active Firefighters (PAFs) whom are 16-17 years old. Generally they complete Scene Support Ops and/or Firefighter I, and often other courses. They do not count as minimum staffing on a rig until they are 18 and have completed FF 1. We also have "Probies" whom are at least 18 years of age, whom retain this status until they complete FF 1 (or if they choose - SSO). Until they've completed FF 1, they do not count. If that Probie completes FF 1 within, say, 5 months, he may no longer be considered a Probie. It's also gauged on their participation in calls, drills and other activities around the firehouse. 3. As far as I am concerned, many, if not most, "Probies" do in fact "count" for something. They can be the guys running back and forth to the rig for equipment, they can throw ladders, hook hydrants, etc. so we can free up a "qualified" firefighter. We drill quite often with our Probies on all of the things they can do to support us on the fireground. Whenever we can, we'll get them involved at incidents to give them that first-hand learning experience that can't always be taught in the classroom. Our Probies, especially the PAFs, are spending those two years before turning 18 becoming some of the best future firefighters in our department. So, in a nutshell, I think Probies can count for something.

Neuticals? I'm not exactly the most politically correct guy out there. But even I have to draw the line at some point. A nut bag hanging off the beaver tail is a little over the top. Funny, but not appropriate. As for the truck nuts in general, I never understood it. Why hang balls off of your car? Making up for a lack of the real thing?

I'm still using my Atari 2600!

Date: 11/28/10 Time: 00:40 Location: Ridge Road & Letchworth Village Road Frequency: 46.18 / 46.48 / 45.88 Units Operating: Theills (26), Hillcrest (6), West Haverstraw (23), Stony Point (18), Haverstraw (4), Fort Montgomery (Orange Co.) Weather Conditions: Description Of Incident: Reporters: Writer: 00:44 - 26-Command requesting Fort Montgomery Tanker 423, 23-2000, 6-Tanker & 18-Tanker. 00:45 - 26-Command requesting another set of tones for a confirmed structure fire. 00:46 - 26-5 requesting the 501 Car for traffic control ASAP. 44 Control reports duration of box 10 minutes. 00:52 - 26-Command requesting an Engine from Department 4 (Haverstraw) to the scene. 00:55 - 26-Command reports Command Post is on Ridge Road across from fire building. 00:57 - 44 Control reports duration is 20 minutes. 00:58 - 26-Command moving operations to Channel 3 (46.48). 01:03 - 44 Control dispatching New City (9) with an Engine to 26-100 for coverage. 01:09 - 9-Tanker relocating 26-100. Signal 19 being dispatched. 01:18 - 26-Command reporting a Signal 11.

RIP, FF Valentino.

Amen. I made a point about the same thing and it somehow got deleted. Thanks moderators... :angry:

Nicely done!

It almost seems like some already had a swig of the "Run-off Kool-Aid..."

BVFD - Get your nose out of the books and use some common sense! 1. Fire in an auto body shop. We know there's more hazards in these facilities then, say, most private dwellings. (I say most, some are ticking time bombs of God knows what). Using copious amounts of water will put it out. It's not rocket science. Remember your basic rules of engagement, Rescue, Exposures, Containment, Extinguishment and Overhaul. The neighboring house was saved, the original building was well advanced before anyone called it in. They all went home unharmed - mission accomplished. 2. An auto body shop that is only one story, roughly 50' x 75', and basically 100% involved should never be an offensive, interior attack. What is gained putting your guys in there? Salvaging the charred remains of some cars? We had a body shop on fire in February, with apartments upstairs. Initial crews reported fire in the rear and middle of the building with extension to a loft storage area. Two 2 1/2" lines made the push and knock down which worked. If we had fire conditions like Briarcliff did this morning, we would of gone defensive. 3. If you want to worry about containment of run off at a fire like this where you are flowing over 1000 GPM, let me know how well it works out. Sure you could call Haz-Mat or DOH to analyze the runoff, but other Officers here will probably agree with me that it isn't as high on the priority list as putting the fire out and protecting the exposures. Happy Thanksgiving everyone, stop being so over-concerned about what is and isn't done at incidents not pertaining to you. Got tactical questions, don't wait until someone has an incident to start nit-picking. Start a thread and get some answers!

Happy Thanksgiving to you all!

I think you mean CO meters... unless you're monitoring for Carbon Dioxide. Glad everyone from OVAC is OK.

Aviation (as well as the Marine Unit) of WCPD has UHF radios with the Fireground (Ground Ops) channels in them. Communications is fairly simple.

Hey Chris, would it be too much to ask to use the tail prop to cut down those reeds? I agree with RWC as well, this is a resource that shouldn't even be considered as an expendable item. We've worked with that chopper a few times this past year alone. Here's a few incidents I recall calling it for in 2010; 1/1/10 - Aviation assisted locating a missing kayaker in the Hudson River. 7/6/10 - Aviation assisted us with a rescue of an injured swimmer on the Croton River. 11/19/10 - Aviation rescued two in the mud at Croton Point Park. I encourage everyone to reach out to our County Executive to let him know how invaluable this resource is. The life it saves could be that of someone you know and care about! E-mail him at ce@westchestergov.com or call (914) 995-2900.

This is where the value of training pays off. Back in July, our area Mutual Aid Coordinator (Battalion 10) set up a demo and training program to show all of us the capabilities of the WCPD Aviation Unit. What was learned that night, plus what I have read on this website has once again paid off. Thank you, WCPD Aviation Unit. (Hey Chris - we're on FIREGROUND 5... )

The Croton-on-Hudson Volunteer Fire Department recently took delivery of a new Chief's response / command vehicle, a 2010 Ford Expedition, replacing a 2000 Ford Explorer, assigned to Car 2082. The new unit was put into service on Wednesday, November 10, 2010. All warning lights and siren were installed at the dealer, Warnock Fleet, as well as the Havis-Shield equipment console in the front of the vehicle and the Truckvault storage unit in the rear. All lettering and graphics were done by McCaffrey Signs in Peekskill, the radios and portable radio chargers installed at Metrocom in Bedford Hills, and additional work and installations done at the Croton DPW shops. Some of the vehicle features include: - Whelen LED Liberty Lightbar - Six-Head Whelen Dominator on Go-Rhino Push Bumper - Two Whelen 500 Series Linear LEDs on side of Go-Rhino Push Bumper - Two Whelen LIN3 LEDs mounted on both side running boards - Whelen Dominator Traffic Advisor mounted on roof above rear hatch - Two Whelen LIN3 LEDs mounted on rear license plate bracket - Six Whelen Vertex Hide-A-Way LED lights - Whelen Cencom Gold siren and control unit - Motorola XTS2500 Trunking radio - Kenwood TK-690 Low Band VHF Radio - Kenwood TK-790/890 Dual-Band UHF/VHF Radio - Unity LED Spotlight On behalf of the Croton-on-Hudson Volunteer Fire Department, we thank all of those involved in helping us build a safe, reliable and functional response / command vehicle.

Thanks everyone. I'll try and answer your questions... 1. Last I heard it may become the Dog Catcher's car. 2. Yup, older style Knox Box, does not require radio activation. Less accountability, but more reliable then radio (we have many issues opening boxes for units around the county at work). 3. I tried getting a pic of the radios in the front, but it was too dark. I'll try again.

I don't get it. All they were doing was reminding him how to "Stop, Drop and Roll." I don't see a single punch being thrown by the firemen. If someone stole a piece of my personal property, I too would go after them and do what is necessary to get it back.

Date: 11/4/10 Time: 20:35 Location: 11 Cornwall Court (Cross of Increase Miller Road) Frequency: 46.26 / Fire 13 / Ops 1 GBFD Units Operating: 2142, 2143, E138, T1, R24 SSFD Units Operating: 2451, 2452, E168, T2, R21 CFFD Units Operating: 2071, 2072, 2073, E148, T8 BHFD Units Operating: 2032, TL57 (FAST), T5 SFD Units Operating: 2441, T16 KFD Units Operating: 2211, 2212, E116 PRFD Units Operating: 2401, 2403, E113 EMS Units Operating: LVAC 67B1, 67B2 & WEMS 45M3 WCDES Units: Battalion 13, C&O Zone 5 w/ 1405 Weather Conditions: Light rain Description Of Incident: Fire in attached garage with extension to two-story frame structure. Reporters: Remember585, Onlocation (O/S) Writer: Remember585 Relocated to Goldens Bridge FD: Brewster Engine 11-2-3 Relocated to South Salem FD: Vista 2563, E141 20:35 - Goldens Bridge dispatched for a reported structure fire. 20:37 - 2142 responding. 2143 responding. 20:38 - E138 responding. 20:41 - 2142 requesting 1 Engine and 1 Tanker from South Salem and Croton Falls on Standby. 20:43 - 60 Control advising 2142 that SP is on scene reporting a fully involved garage fire. Standby units to the scene. T1 responding. 20:44 - E138 on location "URGENT" reporting working fire, requesting Tankers to expedite. 2142 transmitting 10-75. 20:45 - Bedford Hills FAST, Lewisboro VAC and 45M3 dispatched. R24 responding. 20:46 - Somers dispatching T16. 20:48 - 2142 requesting power company ASAP for lines down impeding fire operations. 20:49 - 2073, E148 on location. T1 on location. 20:50 - TL57 responding. 20:51 - E168 on location at dry hydrant at Increase Miller School. T2 on location. 20:52 - Bedford Hills Tanker 5 dispatched. E148 on location. 20:53 - Battalion 13 reports a two-story wood-frame, heavy fire, two lines in operation. 20:57 - T16 responding. 2032 on location. 20:59 - TL57 on location. 21:00 - 2441 on location. 21:01 - Per Bat 13 - 2071 has Water Ops, Tankers on "Ops 1 on Trunked." 21:06 - 2451 calling E168 to confirm water source, E168 reports "soon." 21:08 - E168 reports drafting issues, may need to establish an alternate source. 2451 to E168 Dry Hydrant is OOS. 21:10 - Bat 13 requesting Engine to scene w/ manpower, Katonah Engine to hydrant at Fairmont Road. 21:10 - Bat 13 reports primaries are negative, companies making progress. 21:12 - Bat 13 requesting South Salem R21 to scene, relocate Vista Engine to South Salem. Pound Ridge Engine dispatched. 21:13 - E116 responding to hydrant on Fairmont Road. 21:15 - 60 Control advising Bat 13 that Brewster is relocating to GBFD, Pound Ridge & E116 coming to scene. 21:16 - R21 responding. 21:20 - 2211, 2212, E116 on location & hitting the hydrant. 21:22 - E113 responding. 21:26 - 2211 to E116, I need your crew up to the scene packed up and ready. 21:27 - E141 out at South Salem HQ. 21:33 - Bat 13 - NYSEG is on location. 21:35 - Bat 13 reports fire is not under control, using all hands. 21:36 - Bat 13 requesting Red Cross for relocating of two elderly parties. 21:40 - 2403, E113 on location. 21:43 - Bat 13 reports fire is under control per Command.

I believe you are correct. I also seem to recall that Bedford Hills Correctional uses the old Bedford Hills Engine 197. I could be wrong.

So are you saying this $75,000 Home Depot card does exist? I want one, now! Yorktown didn't hide their intention to go ahead with Station #3, nor did they hide the money to do it. As for the intent of building this station, I've always felt that nobody knows a fire department better than that fire department. If Yorktown feels this is a necessary item, that's their decision.