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Well, BNechis referred to a 24 hour schedules, so I was simply providing the calculations of 8 vs. 24 hour tours, which I stand by. Not even necessarily talking about YFD, as much as 24 tours in general. (There are other FD's out there you know. Not to mention PD's and EMS who work alternative schedules.)

I'm not sure FDVA was talking about traditional mutual aid. Rather, more akin to what happens occasionally in Cortlandt. There, the contracted patrol (8 am-12 midnight), on occasion takes in traditional "County PD" type jobs that don't actually pertain to Cortlandt. I say it's rare, but you do hear that over the air on occasion. FDVA can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's what he was getting at.

I agree with the post, but I don't get your math here. Call in sick for one day, if assigned 24-hour tours, it is still one day. For someone who works an 8-hour day, calling in sick for one day is just that, eight hours. They would need to call in sick for three days to equate those hours. So, by Journal News math, an "average" Yonkers FF who calls in sick 9 days, is out sick a total of 216 hours. For your average workers, they would need to call in sick 27 days to get that same number. My point being, all said, Journal News probably did YFD a favor in reporting the outages in terms of "days", as opposed to "hours."

Some very interesting findings. Especially, the comparisons between White Plains and Greenburgh. If I'm not mistaken, WP is ISO-1, no? Anyone (BNechis) familiar with the ISO rating of the three Greenburgh agencies? As for the contract inclusions of "birthdays with pay", I don't believe I've ever seen that before.

Date: 11/13/10 Time: 0410 Hours Location: Young St at Oregon Rd Frequency: Multiple Units Operating: Mohegan VAC, Mohegan Fire, Cortlandt Medics, NYSP Patrol/BCI/K9/Crime Scene Weather Conditions: Cold Description Of Incident: Shooting w/ one innocent bystander ALS to WCMC. Writer: INIT915 (O/S) http://www.lohud.com/article/20101113/NEWS02/11130359/Cortlandt-shooter-is-a-state-corrections-officer--police-say

Does Yorktown just anticipate relying on WCPD and NYSP dogs?

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Accounting for "accidents per mile driven", assuming some patrol cars put on the same number of miles in one 8 or 12 hour tour that some fire apparatus theoretically put on in one year, do Patrol cars really get into more accidents?

Yes Chris- The Textbook answer is Second Uniform member sits directly behind the driver, with the suspect in the back-seat, passenger side. (Although I am still waiting to actually see that in action.)

Well, in our agency, all of our cars, (well, over 99% of our more than 3000 cars), are non-cage cars. And it is Division policy that the prisoner sit up front. The reason being, it is a lot easier to watch him/her, in the event he/she tries anything. When they are in the back seat, it's very difficult to watch them, and they have a bit of a tactical advantage from behind.

The "SIS" insignia is for Sing-Sing. Each facility has a three letter designation affixed to all assigned apparatus and vehicles.

While I have nothing to do with Yorktown (except driving thru it every now and again), there are a few points to be made. As mentioned, it would be fairly libelous to call this action a larceny, as, has been pointed out, the declination of the original bond proposal are non-binding on the Commissioners ultimate decision to pursue the project. And has also been pointed out, there is a remedy for unhappy constituents. Vote out incumbent Commissioners. But, as has also already been pointed out. No one is interested in participating in elections for Commissioners. Voter apathy is frequently a problem, especially in Fire District races. On on a separate note, many of the items list as being passed by Congress where not "passed", they are merely expiring with sunset provisions. A subtle, but distinct difference.

Chris: From an aviators perspective, what is the logic of replacing the entire fleet at one time, versus phasing in, standardization?

Thanks. This was the answer I was looking for. I wasn't sure if there were criteria, or if the decision was being made on a case-by-case basis.

This article brings up an interesting question. How long after an incident can we still consider a death in the LODD?

These "Minority LE Groups" are Law Enforcement's version of the Vulcans!

Very well put. Besides whether you repeat a rumor in public or in private, it is just that a rumor, until finalized. How many rumors have come across these boards without ever materializing. And I would agree with the posters who suggest a purchase of an existing CON-equipped company is entirely possible with AMR's resources.

Of course there have been shootings that in retrospect were unwarranted or mistakes. But, I could probably guarantee that in those cases, with literally only a split second to decide, the Officer's involved made the best choice they could. Think about the many video of traffic stops gone bad that permeate those reality shows. Imagine conducting your 5,000 "routine" traffic stop, and something goes awry. We are not exaggerating when we say you have a second or two to react. There are some that would advocate the officers wait and take more time to make a "better" decision. Unfortunately, that will inevitably lead to more officer fatalities. It's indisputable. The best part about the LoHud article is the injured passenger conceding that they drove into the officer, yet he goes on to fail to see the what "prompted the shooting."

No one ever agrees with Police shootings, including the Police! You think anyone in L.E. wants to be involved in a shooting, no matter how justified? Months, even years of investigations, civil suits, having your name in the paper. The press and Courts will now have several years, literally, years to second guess what these officers had what, 5 seconds to decide on?

Example?

How many do we need?

I know this incident was discussed at length when it occurred, but there was some movement on the case today. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/emt_faces_charge_in_pregnant_woman_Mbk6QwQdo47DsKrT90stBJ#ixzz12BekL6cS And before anyone asks:

Four calls in a half-hour is an anomaly. Were they somehow tangentially related, or just a coincidence? And ALS comes from OVAC, not Croton, which maintains a fully staffed roster of career Paramedics (3 during the day, an ALS Ambulance, a Medic Fly-Car, and a Medic Supervisor, in addition to an additional BLS ambulance), so more likely then not, the issue here is the BLS transport aspect.

Agreed, that's why I used the qualifier "some." It means "not all." Much like everything in EMS, and in life in general, the same rules do not apply everywhere.

And, on top of that, even in "Urban/Suburbal Westchester", there are some districts with large response areas, and even when a truck gets right out, sometimes the response time can be substantial. The concept of having properly trained and equipped members in the field can be valuable.