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Congrats Brian, she's adorable! Must get her looks from her mom lol. Best wishes to you, momma and baby girl!

Wow, thank you. One of the most honest & straight-forward posts I've read in awhile. Bravo & thank you. It is funny that this topic is pretty quiet. Like many others, perhaps the truth hurts? Chief Flynn, as always you bring up a great point/question. I've brought this up within my department many of times until my face turns blue. I'm lucky to get 5 or 6 guys at our weekly trainings. But some people seem more concerned that we only got 8 or 10 out for a parade. What's wrong with this picture? It makes me sick, its as if many of us have forgotten why we're here. Hey, I'm all for having fun, but not when its at the cost of the communities safety. Hey Chief Flynn, ill answer you....YES, many depts go to Lake George EVERY year. Most bring at least 1 piece of apparatus & most of their active firefighters. Who's left to respond to alarms? Your guess is as good as mine. Mutual-aid? They're at the parade to.

Tommy, i still think youre a big bad guy . But seriously, nobody should "shoot the messanger" here. You bring up good, valid points as do most members who have already replied to this topic. As you said, the truth hurts sometimes...its the fire service, man up and get over it. Ive said it before, ill say it again; im neither pro-volly/pro-career or anti-volly/anti-career. Tommy, i like the term "pro-service." We are all here to provide a service to the communities we serve. If for whatever reason, we can no longer provide such service adequately, then we need to do something about it. Ive been in the volunteer fire and ems system for 11 years or so now. Ive seen alot of changes, some good, some bad. Training standards for vollies have increased, but are still nowhere near where they should be in my opinion. But its becomming more and more clear that volunteer agencies (fire & ems) everywhere are struggling big time. This is not fair, nor safe, for our communities or our members. The old days of "we do the best we can" and "we're only volunteers" need to be just that, the old days. This mentality needs to stop because people are going to lose their property and god forbid, their lives if this continues. As for the volunteer system, we've talked about consolidation. Consolidation would be a step in the right direction, but still may not be the end all solution. I know guys are sick of me using the Tri-Village as an example, but its what i know. 7 pumpers, 2 Tower Ladders, 2 rescues, various utilities, "command cars," 9 chiefs, 3 captains and 8 or 9 lts. All this out of 3 stations protecting a combined area of approximately 20 square miles and averaging a combined 400-450 calls a year (thats not fact, just a round about number). We'd be much better off with maybe 3 pumpers, 1 ladder and one rescue and could do this out of 1 station. We could also eliminate many of the officer positions, all the while having a greater pool of officer candidates. As a combined dept, we'd have greater member turn-out to calls and in essence would most likely reduce response times. Eh, but what do i know, im just a young vollie from Buck-Town lol. What i like about this thread/topic is that it has changed a bit. Some may recall the same issue/topic brought up regarding a fire in this same district a week or so ago. That topic got alot of attention and got some feathers ruffled. But what i like is that now there are vollies that are starting to see the issues and are contributing to this thread without getting uptight. Hey Chief Flynn, i think this is what you strive for, for people to wake up and see the issues facing the fire service. So bravo for getting many of the members here to wake up. As for Mohegan, i will start by saying they are a good department, career & volunteer. Ive had the pleasure of working with them at calls as well as train alongside their career & volunteer members. However, as i said in the last Mohegan thread, they could use more career staffing hands down. They are just too big and busy of a district to rely on volunteers and limited career staffing. Lets face it (i think the career guys will agree with me here), having 1 career member show up on an apparatus is just "smoke and mirrors." It is an unsafe and unfair practice for these career firemen to be riding solo to jobs. The public just sees it as "well, i called 911 and a fire truck showed up within a few minutes." They dont see that its just one guy hoping that others will show up. This goes for other combination depts as well. It is not the fault of the career members, because they do the job they were hired and trained to do day in and day out. But something needs to be done before someone is hurt. alsfirefighter...dont quote me, but others have asked the same staffing question regarding Mohegan. I believe when they are "full-staffed" there are 3 career ff's at HQ (1 for the engine, 1 for the ladder & 1 for the rescue) and 1 FF at the remaining 3 stations. Thats a total of 6 career FFs on shift mannning 4 stations. I dont know about you, but those numbers dont add up to me. Someone brought up better use of current career staffing. Ive tried in my head to see how this can be accomplished for a dept such as Mohegan. The only answer is to hire more firemen. Say there are 6 FF's per shift. Would you put 3 on an engine, 3 on a ladder? No, because they would still be understaffed and that would leave the other stations/apparatus unmanned. On a side note: Westchester is one of the, if not the highest taxed County in this great nation. How is it that soo many States have County run fire and ems depts? LA County (CA), Clark County (NV), Miami-Dade (FL), Anne-Arrundel (MD), Baltimore County (MD) just to name a few. These are all County wide, County run depts that work! Most are 100% career, with the exception of some in Maryland and a few others. Why is it that Westchester couldnt accomplish this? Just something to think about.

What a shame for sure. He was truly a salty fisherman. He was so into what he did and always willing to push the limits of himself, his boat and his crew. He was one of the best personalities on the show hands down. May he rest in peace. I too hope that his sons can find peace and continue the Harris legacy.

Seth, thanks for the quick replies. I was just curious as the rigs were lettered both "Lake Travis" and "Travis County." Sounds like they have a pretty good set-up. I didnt realize that Dallas FD was all Crimson, very interesting.

Date: 02-09-10 Time: 1534hrs Location: 36 Germonds Rd. c/s Gerloach Dr. & Jean Ln. Frequency: 46.18 Units Operating: NCFD, Nanuet FD (Dept. 8) w/pumper, Congers FD (Dept. 3) w/FASTeam, Hillcrest FD (Dept. 6) on s/b, 44-5, 44-2, 44-11, Orange&Rockland Utilities, EMS, others. Weather Conditions: Description Of Incident: Working Fire Reporters: Writer: BFD1054 1534hrs-New City FD (Dept. 9) dispatched to above address for the Signal-10; reported chimney fire. 1535hrs-44-Control advising caller stated "it was getting into the house" and they were advised to evacuate. 1536hrs-44-5 on scene w/smoke showing, requesting mutual-aid. 1537hrs-44-Control dispatching Depts. 8 (Nanuet) & 3 (Congers); Dept. 8 requested with a pumper & manpower to the scene, Dept. 3 requested to re-locate a pumper & manpower to 9-100 (NCFD HQ). 1538hrs-44-Control advising Dept. 3 (Congers FD) that they have been re-directed to the scene as the FASTeam. 44-Control dispatching Dept. 6 (Hillcrest); request for (1) pumper w/manpower to re-locate to 9-100 (NCFD HQ). 1550hrs-All Dept. 9, 8 & 3 units operating to switch operations to Frequency-3. 1554hrs-44-Control dispatching Dept. 24 (West Haverstraw); request for a pumper & manpower to the scene. 9-Command now changing the request to a FASTeam. 1556hrs-6-1501 (Hillcrest FD pumper) on s/b at 9-100 (NCFD HQ). 1557hrs-24-4 & 24-Rescue w/FASTeam responding. 1602hrs-24-Rescue on the scene. 1614hrs-44-Control advising 9-Command that they have been on scene and operating for 20 minutes. 1622hrs-9-Command advising Signal-11 (U/C). 1705hrs-All units in service from the scene. *Some times are approximates

Date: 02-09-10 Time: 1225hrs Location: 36 Wilson Ave. c/s McKinley Ave. Frequency: 46.26/Fire 11 Units Operating: Valhalla 2481 (IC), E82, E84, TL49, R9; Hawthorne 2193, L56; Thornwood 2472, E89; Elmsford L55 (FAST); WCDES Battalion 11, C&O Zone 3 Description Of Incident: Working Fire Reporters: remember585 Writer: BFD1054 1225hrs-Hawthorne & Valhalla FD's dispatched dual-response to the above address for the possible structure fire. 1230hrs-Hawthorne & Valhalla re-dispatched; Car 2481 on location reporting working fire. 1233hrs-Thornwood FD dispatched; request for (1) engine to the scene, Elmsford FD dispatched; request for their FASTeam to teh scene, Battalion-11 paged out for response. 1234hrs-Cause & Origin Zone-3 paged out for response. 1236hrs-North White Plains dispatched; request to re-locate (1) engine to Valhalla FD. 1237hrs-Fairview dispatched; request to re-locate (1) ladder to Valhalla FD. 1240hrs - Battalion 11 reports fire in walls between main structure and the garage. Using all hands. 1247hrs- 60 Control advises North White Plains unable to fill crew for Engine to cover. 1248hrs - Pleasantville to relocate 1 Engine to Valhalla FD for coverage. 1250hrs - Battalion 11 advising fire is knocked down, checking for extension and venting. 1255hrs - E91 & 2371 relocating to Valhalla FD.

Seth, nice pics as always and thanks for sharing. I wasnt much of a Crimson fan, but some of these features are great. I like how the back step "extends" on the pumpers. Looks like it would make for easier/safer re-packing as well as pulling lines. I also like the automatic hose bed cover. I was going to mention the Timberwolf siren but you beat me to it lol. They seem to be very popular out west, but havent caught on here yet. I believe LA City has them on their ambulances. Seth, is Lake Travis an independant FD or part of a County system? Great looking pumpers and quint, best of luck to them.

Date: 02-08-10 Time: 1430hrs Location: 25 Young St. c/s Oregon Rd. Frequency: 46.26/LMFD Ops Units Operating: Cars 2268 (career Capt), 2261, 2260, E257, E258, L35, Peekskill FASTeam, Buchanan U12 (cascade), Mohegan VAC, NYSP, Putnam Valley FD W/(1) engine to the scene, Yorktown FASTeam, WCDES C&O Zone-4, Con Edison. Weather Conditions: Cold, windy Description Of Incident: Working Fire Reporters: Writer: BFD1054 1430hrs-E257, E258, L35 dispatched to above address for the possible structure fire. 1433hrs-E257 on location advising smoke shwoing. 1434hrs-E257 advising confirmed working fire. Car 2268 requesting 1st alarm assignment. 1435hrs-E257 requesting E258 to grab a hydrant. Car 2260 en-route. 1436hrs-Lake Mohegan re-toned for the working fire, Peekskill FASTeam to the scene, Mohegan EMS to the scene. Car 2261 responding. Car 2268 on location. 1437hrs-Buchanan FD dispatched; request for Utility-12 (cascade) to the scene. 1438hrs-E258 requesting a re-tone for additional manpower. Car 2261 requesting Putnam Valley to the scene with an engine and manpower. 1444hrs-Car 2268 advising Car 2261 that they will need Peekskill's FASTeam to go to work, they will need a 2nd FASTeam. Car 2261 requesting a 2nd FAST. 1445hrs-Car 2261 on location. 60-Control dispatching Yorktown FD; request for their FASTeam to the scene. 1451hrs-Car 2261 requesting a progress report from interior crews. Unit advising that they are opening up the ceiling at this time. 1453hrs-Car 2268 requesting roof ventilation. 1533hrs-Continental Village requested to re-locate (1) engine to Mohegan's Hollowbrook Station - Oregon Rd. 1534hrs-Montrose requested to re-locate (1) engine to Mohegan's Furnace Woods Station - Croton Ave. 1535hrs-C&O Zone-4 Unit 1404 en-route. 1540hrs-Montrose FD Car 2271/E121 re-locating. 1552hrs-Car 2261 placing the fire under control. 1725hrs-Car 2261 requesting Town of Cortlandt Code Enforcement & Water department to the scene. 1726hrs-Car 2261 releasing Yorktown & Buchanan, holding all others. 1747hrs-Car 2261 releasing Peekskill.

Date: 02-03-10 Time: 1513hrs Location: Ended at James St. Frequency: PPD Units Operating: Numerous PPD patrol, Dets Weather Conditions: Cool, clear Description Of Incident: Vehicle Pursuit Reporters: Writer: BFD1054 1513hrs-PPD Patrol advising vehicle failure to comply. PPD HQ dispatching back-up units. 1514hrs-Patrol advising Bank St, now heading into the James Street parking ramp/garage. PPD HQ inquiring if its only V&T charges. Unit at "Busy Corner" (Main St/Highland Ave) requesting description of vehicle. 1515hrs-Units advising they have the vehicle stopped in the James St parking garage. 1516hrs-Unit advising (1) under. All units to continue with caution. 1517hrs-Unit requesting next available tow. Registration coming back to a 2010 Toyota Camry out of Peekskill. Unit advising to cancel the tow, they will drive it in. 1520hrs-Car 257 en-route to HQ w/(1).

Im gonna agree with the majority of members here; i vote NO to censorship. This is the great U S of A and we should ALL be entitled to our opinions. Ive been a member of this site for a long time (i believe one of the first 100) and have seen a lot of good and some bad over the years. But one of the good things is that people can come on hear and speak their minds like adults. As others have said, if ya cant take it, walk away from the computer. Or, deal with it and add to these great forums in a positive way. Back-up your posts with some good, solid information. Hell, ive fallen prey to the back-and-forth bickering over the years. But ive learned to take a deep breath and get over it. Its been said already, but you must have thick skin in the buisness of fire, ems & pd. Thats exactly the way it needs to be on here as well. I have reached out to several members via PM to "hash out" our differences or further discuss issues or topics. There are guys on here that have picked at my posts and we've had some words. But after going out of my way to shoot them a PM, it usually gets squashed and usually ends with a "thanks" or "take care." Actually, theres many guys on here that id love to shoot the crap with (even non emergency service talk) over a cold one anyday. Many of us could probably have a good time and a few laughs.

Joe, thank you for your response. I like the idea of the versatility of a quint, especially in a career dept. As you said, depending on the situation, it could be utilized as either a truck or engine. Its also nice to know that youll have another engine or truck or both right behind you. Thanks again

Thanks John, i definately see your points and it makes sense. I personally think that not enough FD's are using the pre-determined alarm-assignments. Ahhhh, thats what those huge trucks are

Joe, awesome shots, thanks for sharing. Looks like you guys had your hands full. Looks to be a good ammount of fire. I like the aggresive placement of the Quint. Quick questions, as i am unfamiliar with NFD ops, more specifically the use of quints. I know that this topic has come up in the past. Does NFD operate quints as engines? How many FF's are assigned to a quint? Do you find the quints to be an asset? I personally like the idea, but i know many people are anti-quint.

I dont know squat about this incident, tankers or Banksville. But Slayer, as for the whole "1st alarm" quetion; unfortunately, each (volunteer) department arranges their assignments to be put into the CAD at 60-Control if they so wish. I say "unfortunately" because nothing is streamlined and each departments alarm assignments can be greatly different. It can be a great advantage to set up your alarm assignments this way. This way, the IC knows exactly what he/she is getting when they call for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc alarm. For example, a 1st alarm in Buchanan is a full-dept response from Buchanan, Ladder from Montrose, Engine from Verplanck, FASTeam from Croton and Cortlandt VAC.

I dont know if this is the right forum for this? But i found this Firehouse magazine from 1985 for sale on ebay. On the cover it reads "Mt. Vernon: Fortress of Fire Protection." I was just curious if anyone knows what this is reffering to? Heres the ebay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1985-INSIDE-FIREHOUSE-MAGAZINE-GREAT-MAGAZINE_W0QQitemZ370214240362QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMagazines?hash=item56327d006a

Too funny E58! Thats exactly why i was looking on ebay in the 1st place. I have almost every issue of Firehouse from the late 90's til now. Id hate to just throw them away. I was just going to put together a group of 10 or so and see if i could get $20 or so for the whole bunch. But $12 for one is a nice profit lol.

Date: 01-27-10 Time: 1840hrs Location: 259 Rt. 210 Frequency: 46.18 Units Operating: Stony Point FD (Dept. 18), West Haverstraw FD (Dept. 23) w/23-FAST, Thiells FD (Dept. 26) w/pumper, 44-9 Weather Conditions: Description Of Incident: Working Fire Reporters: Writer: BFD1054 1839hrs-44-Control dispatching Dept. 18, second call in district, to the above address for the reported fire in the building. 1840hrs-44-Control dispatching Dept. 23; request for their FASTeam, Dept. 26; request for (1) pumper to the scene, Signal-12 (working Fire). 1845hrs-23-1 on the scene. 1856hrs-44-Control putting out Dept's 18, 23 & 26 tones; all units operating at the 259 Rt. 210 structure fire, operations switching to Frequency-3. 1900hrs-Haverstraw FD (Dept. 4) requested to re-locate (1) pumper w/manpower to 18-100 (SPFD HQ). 1930hrs-Dept's 23 & 26 are Signal 14 & 15 (in-service/assignment complete) on a code 571 (mutual-aid). 1950hrs-Dept. 4 is Signal 14 & 15 on the code 571. 2000hrs-Dept. 18 Command is terminated.

mymack....if you read the description of the job, it does say that they dispatch PD, FD & EMS. I know one of their dispatchers, its definately an excitng job. As for the schedule, i am not too sure. I would assume its rotating, but im not sure if they do 8's or 12's or what.

Sorry for using kudos, maybe youre right. You're damn right they did what they should have done. My point was that there may be some depts that wouldnt do the right thing. "Eh, we have 2 FAST members, 1 interior and 2 probies, but F it, lets roll anyway." Not a direct quote obviously, just an example. You say you have a major problem with my statement. My statement is based soley on what occurred during this incident. Yes, they could provide an engine, but not a FAST. I would hope that said provided engine had all interior qualified members. They could not provide a FAST because they did not have enough FAST qualified members. FAST members must go through additional classes/training and train at least once a month in those specific skills. Trust me, i agree 100% that EVERY firefighter should be FAST/RIT qualified, or just be able to rescue a fellow FF, period. You say that some VFD's send "their best" on mutual aid calls. I would hope they dont just send "their best," but those members who are properly trained for whats being asked of them.

Chief Flynn (and others); I posted this IA. I posted the info to the best of my knowledge. The times may not be 100% correct, but pretty damn close. My computer decided to freeze, so I was using my Blackberry. I never heard the initial dispatch, just the "10-75" and after. As for Mohegan FD; I think they're a great dept (career & volly). They have a lot of young, active guys and usually get great turn-outs at alarms. I think a partial problem is the response times for the vols. That district is HUGE with lots of traffic. It would not be uncommon for a vol to have a 10-15 minute response time. That being said, they could use more career staff, definately not less (not a knock on the vols at all, no twisted panties please). Its just such a big district that runs a lot of alarms. As for the FAST issue, its definately a grey area as mfc stated. It happens more often than not that FASTs are put to work. There should most definately be a 2nd FAST on scene prior to putting the 1st to work. Defeats the whole purpose otherwise. However, these are the things that any IC has to deal with and make many quick decisions. I must say kudos to Yorktown FD. They notified 60 that they could not fill out the FAST assignment. Instead, they supplied an engine & manpower. That's comforting to know that they wouldn't send a "FAST" when they didn't have the properly trained manpower. When Yorktown couldn't fulfill the FAST, Peekskill was called right away, which was a good call.

Date: 01-26-10 Time: 1200hrs Location: 1740 Parnly/Lincoln/Lawrence/Lexington Frequency: 46.26/LMFD ops Units Operating: Cars 2260, 226-10, L10, Yorktown w/engine & manpower, Peekskill FASTeam, Mahopac Falls (cascade) Weather Conditions: Sunny, windy Description Of Incident: Working Fire Reporters: Writer: BFD1054 11159hrs-L10 advising heavy smoke from the chimney area, will advise. 1200hrs-Car 226-10 advising working fire, heavy smoke from the eaves, requesting the 10-75, FASTeam. 1201hrs-Mohegan re-toned for the working fire, additional manpower needed. Yorktown FD dispatched; request for their FASTeam. 1205hrs-Mohegan re-toned, request for additional manpower. 1211hrs-Yorktown advising they cannot fufill the FAST assignment, but can supply an engine & manpower. Car 2263 requesting them with engine & manpower. 1213hrs-Peekskill FD toned out; request for their FASTeam. 1223hrs-R134 responding w/FASTeam. 1227hrs-R134 on location. 1249hrs-Car 2260 advising that as per Car 2263 (IC), fire has been knocked down, holding all units. 1258hrs-Car 2263 advising situation is under control, correct address is 1711. 1300hrs-Car 2263 requesting Yorktown water dept. to the scene. 1301hrs-Car 2263 releasing Peekskill's FAST with thanks. 1302hrs-60-Control advising 30 minute ETA for the homeowner. 1334hrs-Car 2263 releasing Yorktown from the scene, holding all Mohegan units. 1356hrs-All Mohegan units in service/returning.

Date: 01-25-10 Time: 1632hrs (tow) Location: Chase-Manhattan Bank 1946 Pleasantville Rd. Frequency: Units Operating: Briarcliff PD, others Weather Conditions: Rain, wind Description Of Incident: Bank Robbery Reporters: Writer: BFD1054 1632hrs-TMC (NYSP) broadcasting to all Zone-3 patrols; Briarcliff PD is investigating a bank robbery that occurred at the above address. Suspect described as a black male in his late 20's, aproximately 5'5" wearing black pants, black boots, black baseball hat, a blue "mechanics type" shirt with black t-shirt underneath. Suspect fled on foot in an unknown direction.

Thank you Chris for the added info. I knew of Project Impact, however i knew little about it.

20y2...my fault, i kinda got off base lol. I was referring more toward FDMV relying on other agencies.