firemoose827

First off, and dont take offense to this brother, arent you a bit too young to be calling us naive for expressing our opinions? I have seen plenty of kids have gross disrespect for not only Police Officers, but teachers, parents, Employers...the list goes on, and if you dont see that todays youth is loosing respect and acting like a bunch of know-it-alls than maybe the naivity is yours brother. Just something for you to think about. What about the Police Officers who get Killed in the LOD because of the "Kids" who are just hanging out in the park that end up being gang members waiting for the drug deal? Saying that because a PO "Yells" at some kids he needs to be monitored more closely is rediculous bro. They already have the drive cams in their cars, what are we going to make them do next, wear a helmet cam? Imagine the taxes needed to pay for that equipment. I just think Monday Morning Quarterbacks that know nothing about Police Work need to stay out of it and let the Pros do their job. Just like the difference in opinion that oneeye has and you are addressing here? If the kids today had more respect for the law than the police wouldnt have to defend anyone. As you have seen in another topic there was yet ANOTHER school shooting...when is it going to be enough? When are the Police Officers going to finaly be untied and be able to go out there and put an end to this senseless violence? Its happening more often because people like you and I who dont see what happens in a typical shift for a PO think that they are being too rough. If you ask me, the Police should have more leeway in how they handle suspicious people...."yelling" is not that rough. If it offends you...........Should the Police Officer have invited them out for Pizza? Or maybe brought out the tea service and had tea and pastry with them? sorry for the rant! LOL

Makes us older!! Just kidding. Happy Birthday and congratulations on becoming Chief brother!! Hope your B-day is the best and have many more. Welcome to the "Old Man" category!!LOL Brian

There are different types of Hydrazine but the worst one I saw was fatal if inhaled. The least dangerous was highly flammable and toxic requiring suits and non-sparking tools. It would be messy, thats for sure. I agree with the spy stuff too, isnt there some way for the govnt to erase the data on the satelite remotely with todays technology? Just curious.

Ok, I would like a chance to be fair to both parties involved here in the discussion without being disrespectfull in any way. So please dont kill me!! First, I kind of agree with ONEEYEDMIC. Im not a PO and never have been interested in being one, but I have several friends who are and I hear their war stories all the time and its scary. It goes beyond running into a burning building or rendering first aid to a victim of a car crash on an icy interstate....there is so much more to be wary, and cautious about, even skeptical about. How many times do you hear in todays society of KIDS bringing firearms to school? Im talking kids 12, 14, 16 years old with Firearms. How did this Police Officer know for sure these kids were not packing heat ready to shoot him any second? How does the officer know that neither of them were ready to pull a knife or other weapon out? No One Knows....Thats why I believe, and its my opinion only, that Police Officers should show that they have control early on, and by speaking with authority and getting their attention early on, than switching to a more subtle tone at the end of the video when he told the kid to call his mom and asked for his address, that he showed them he was in charge and deserved respect. I still say that physical force was not called for here but as someone said, the officer was suspended for it pending investigation. I also agree with j2hawk and show him the utmost respect also. The cop should have shown some restraint and not used physical force, but I have to disagree with you on the raising of the voice. Sorry, but in todays society the only way to reach a snot nosed kid is to make them hear you, get their attention and scare them. By raising his voice and taking the board away he did that. But he should not have held him in a choke hold than thrown him down. There is no reaching todays youth in old fashioned tactics. Like others have said, todays youth "Know Everything" and dont need an adult to "Tell them what to do"....unfortunately thats the way it is. If yelling at someone to get their attention and take control of a situation is what works than so be it. Im not the one driving around in a Police Car getting shot at and not knowing whats coming around the next corner or what the next person I pull over is going to do to me, so Im going to listen to the guys/gals that do this everyday. Good discussions so far and everyone is keeping it clean...GOOD!

Boy, I cant wait for the movie to come out! It would be like "Deep Impact" or "Armagedon" but with a smaller object. I would hate to be the guy at the controls when they go to shoot it down, imagine the NERVES of STEEL he/she would need to fire that shot!! No pun intended but they would be sweating bullets. Oh, and please....DONT MISS!!!

A good drill I came up with when I was Lt in my old dept was a mutual aid drill night. We would pick a night each month or two, get together with a mutual aid company and do one of the following drills; On one night, preferably in poor weather, we would go to each others Station and have the hosting dept give a tour to the other, showing their rigs, the locations of key tools and equipment, their hose lays, their tank capacities, how many GPM's they flow, etc etc. Than we would discuss any hazard areas/buildings in their districts and any pre-plans they have set up including the roll of the visiting dept and where they would set up etc. Swap stations and mutual aid depts each month untill your familiar with each dept. Second drill is to set up one of two things; a pump relay with a mutual aid rig, or a tanker shuttle/fill operation. Mix it up and try different situations. Dont just go to the training center or the parking lot of the local High School....find the tightest, smallest crowded side street and see if you can effectively set up either operation without confusion or hitch. This way you find out if all of your fittings and hose are compatible with each others set-ups, and allows the MA company to learn the location of hydrants and fill sites like ponds, lakes, streams and such. Than when the big one hits, there is less chance the chief has to waste time on the radio giving directions to incoming MA. Other that that, I agree with HFD219. You can never spend enough time on the basics and any member that complains they dont need the basics are the ones that should stay away from me at fire scenes. With inflation and costs of living, thats my $2.02.......(sorry, bad joke.)

I was thinking more in the lines of this kid got the CRAP scared out of him, and the next time he sees a PO he will be more respectfull and maybe learn that cops are only trying to do a job, and thats protect people. In this case I see the PO as protecting this kid from becoming an even bigger menace to society and ending up either in his jail or on the coroners table due to Gang activity. Im not defending the physical contact as being ok, in no means. This kid had no weapon, was not making any violent gestures or insults to the PO ( other than calling him DUDE over and over!!), so therefore did not warrant any physical response. Taking his board away? Yah, I think that was appropriate...but only to give it back to him after I drove him home and talked with a parent about what happened. Any kind of interaction that a person with authority can make with todays youth in order to scare them straight is a positive, but a little more creativity and consideration should have been used by the officer. I mean, look at the SADD programs that are run by Sherrifs officers. They are designed to scare a teen from drinking and driving. By this officer getting mad at the kid (MINUS the physical contact ) and taking his board and than talking to his mother I hope it scared some sense into him. Maybe the officer was having a realy BAD day and was involved with an explosive incident earlier, and was on edge to begin with. Im not here to make excuses for the officer but Maybe that just strengthens the need for healthier shift lenghts or knowing ones limits. Anything could have factored in here and again we only have the info provided by the short movie. I would have to say Im also on the fence with this one, the kid needed some kind of attitude adjustment, but the physical contact was not called for.

Complete lack of respect in "Some" of todays youth, I agree with Sr71, not ALL kids are bad. Heck, in most cases of bad seeds its not the kids that are bad at all, its the PARENTS for not raising their child appropriately. Its sickening today to see someone have more kids simply because it raises their weekly welfare benefits and foodstamp totals. What happens to these kids? They grow up in a home that didnt realy want them and they dont know what its like to be loved, and be in a family and taught values and morals. So ofcourse you see kids act in this capacity because they dont know better...not an excuse for the kids in any way, especially his age. Should the PO have touched him? Nope. I am worried about his job now and hope he wasnt fired, in my eyes the officer was attempting to teach this boy some respect, and help him live to an older age on the city streets. I hope the officer gave the kids mother an EAR full and even better, I hope the mother actually did something about it.

I always hope to find some recent discussion in "Firefighting, Fire Service", than the EMS area, But I love the entire Site to really pick a favorite!

I agree with you 100%. I was called for a transport about 10 years ago with a pt in severe respiratory distress. My partner and I, both EMT-CC's at the time, arrived to find the ER staff preparing the pt for RSI. The nurse was giving the SUCCS and the doc was grabbing the ET kit. When we looked at the doc his hands were shaking so bad, I thought he was going to knock himself unconcious with the Laryngoscope! He looked at us pleadingly and we stepped up and intubated the pt for him. He couldnt stop praising us for saving him ( the doc) from embarrassment. Some docs just dont perform the skill enough either, but you dont see the hospital staff taking the skill away from them. It would be pointless and dangerous to remove that skill from the medics arsenal, with the airway being our primary concern as EMT's. Good topic.

Ouch! OK, Now who here doesnt think we need annual hose testing, raise your gygabytes. Anyone? Good video for all to watch about controlling the line and service testing of equipment.

Great idea with the honorary spot, this site takes on more personality every time I log on!

For all of you up-staters like me, the only Stroke Facilities here are Albany Medical Center, Ellis Hospital, and Cooperstown Hospital....I believe. Could be more. Anyone know of others up here?

Congrats to Seth, and everyone who was with him from the inception of the site and helped make it what it is today. Happy 5th Birthday EMTBravo!!

Great Pictures Brother, thanks for sharing them with us. I couldnt even watch it on tv, I was working. Thanks Moose

Here is a fun little Size-up Drill. I was driving around and thought I would snap this picture of my old rental house. It brings up interesting Size-up challenges. What would you do if theres a fire here? What type of construction is it? Any Hazards? Have Fun.

Thanks brother. That looks nice to have. Is it easy to deploy or do you find some difficulties with that style load?

I would like to pop the proverbial little tiny...red...thing....ANYWAY. I had a question. I work a full time schedule in my PT job every weekend, and I find it hard to keep on a healthy diet while running back to back calls. When there is no time, fast food just fills the void. I have tried to keep healthy snacks and drinks in a duffell on the rig but the fries and burger always sounds more convenient. Anyone have little tips of the trade to share with me? Any workout ideas for a buisy lifestyle? I recently diagnosed with angina, my triponin was slightly elevated, and Im overweight. In trouble. Calling Mutual aid from my brothers. Thanks Everyone. Moose

My condolences to family and friends and brothers in LI. May he Rest In Peace.

The hose on the side steps, are they hose packs or preconnects? I would tend to agree with MFC, cause I have no knowledge of YFD either but his point makes some sense. Unless they are switching all trucks over a little at a time to LDH?

I mainly stated this for smaller calls, like smoke showing. Usually our chiefs will investigate the interior as part of their size-up if its not a severe IDLH atmosphere. A good example for us would be the "Chimney Fires" that start extending into the walls. They would go in with the TIC and find the exact location for when crews arrive. Or for the small fires in garbage cans and cooking pots and pans that could maybe be extinguished with a fire extinguisher by the Chief. Obviously we shouldnt expect a chief to go interior on a worker!! LOL They can barely get dressed in gear let alone a pack! All you white coats...Im just kidding!!!

Great Game Brother! Simple, but addicting, thanks for sharing with us.

Its so true its SCARY. Todays society is falling apart because of lawsuits and litigations, and paranoid people, just because of a few bad apples. Todays Justice is re-written for the protection of Minorities as opposed to ALL of our citizens. Its a shame. I remember getting some decent discipline as a child, and it WORKED!! Today, like you said, my father would be arrested!! Good Post

I believe that the collection of evidence falls within the fire chiefs duty to determine the cause of all fires in his/her jurisdiction. If they find gas cans, or trailers, or matches and such than its considered criminal and they dont need warrants due to probable cause. Otherwise, usually the formation of an organised Investigation Team with SOP's and By-Laws and affiliations with local law enforcement will cover any other collection of evidence such as pictures and samples. We have a county team called the "FIVES" Team. ( Fire Investigating Volunteers of Schoharie County, dont ask where the "E" fits in!LOL) They are made up of NYS Level 1 Fire Investigators from all over the county and respond to scenes whenever a "Code 20" is called to assist the OIC with determining the cause of the fire. Its not just for Arson cases, but for Officers who arent comfortable with Investigating the Cause of fires as well. I will see If I can get a copy of their SOP's. Im trying to join them but its difficult. Hope that helped! Moose

204D was a law established for determining the cause of fires, and established rules for the control of a scene and when it is gained and lost. It stems from a court case called "Michigan V. Tyler" where a fire chief/investigator left a scene, got home and realised he forgot to take pictures of something, went BACK to the scene and took pictures of what ended up being incriminating evidence it was arson, but the case was thrown out due to the fact he didnt have permission of the owner to return onto his premises. It just states that possesion of a scene is lost as soon as you leave. As long as a FD unit is on scene it remains in FD possession as an emergency scene. Once you leave you need either permission, or a warrant. Correct me if Im wrong guys, please!! Its been a while since my last Investigation Training!! Moose