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Thank you for sharing this with us, I saved the power point and will use it at our next forcible entry drill. Thanks.

Happy Birthday Doc!!! Sorry I did not get to this earlier, hope you had a great day full of happiness and peace. Many more to you also. Moose

Congratulations and good work!!

Hope no one was hurt.

Im glad you brought this up. I received something similar to this a few years ago and signed it myself, yet I am not on there. Are there multiple lists going around? This is a good idea, but Im not sure if we should continue this or start a EMTBravo one. Whats everyones thoughts?

I found the video I mentioned, here it is... Just a reminder that shhhhtuff happens. Stay Safe.

Roofsopen, Im interested in learning more about the product in the barrel use of the TIC, you have any links or info to share on this? I would appreciate it very much, just getting back active in my Haz-Mat Team and am interested in this. Thanks

I honestly wish I could shake your hand brother. Again, you manage to take an argument and prove a very valuable point to all, and I love the way you did it. I wish all posters on this site were like you, and thats why you deserved the award you just got. Thanks for always making a point with tact and respect, never stepping on anyones toes or throwing pointless jabs at people that are just not called for. I respect you. To add to this, I just spent 20 minutes searching for a video I saw on operating a cut off saw, and I could not find it, but maybe someone out there knows of it. It was at a training center some where and the guy operating the cut off saw had been set on fire from the sparks thrown by the saw. Granted, he had some gasoline spilled on his bunkers from filling the saw and didnt wash it off, but how many of us crawl through a house and dont know what we are crawling through? How many flammable liquids are soaked into your turnouts without knowing that a simple washing wont get rid of? But still, the turnouts saved him from getting burned. While operating a saw how do we know we are not standing in a vapor cloud or gas pocket from a ruptured gas line in the building? Or someone soaked the floor with gasoline to purposely hurt the firefighter forcing the door with a saw? Anything can happen, which is why we are all forced to wear our gear.

Congratulations brother, you truly deserve this and I look forward to many more intriguing topics from you.

The thing about electrical fires is it could easily spread through the entire structure without the owner knowing it. Sure, the switch he is watching could very well not be smoking any more....BUT the outlet down the hall in the bedroom which is on the same circuit is now smoldering and catching the wood studs on fire. Never play around with electric, and never assume anything is going to be routine...."Routine"....that word shouldn't even be in our vocabulary because we all know that Nothing in the fire service is ever routine. Every call received as "Electrical" in nature should be dispatched as structural, and the chiefs advised of it being electrical in nature. Every crew stepping off a truck should always have basic hand tools whenever they get off the truck, and never be empty handed. Always grab the Irons, hooks, TIC, hand light, extinguishers, etc.

Congratulations Oswegowind! Keep up the great work!

This is my 2 year old daughter Isabella, quickly approaching the "Terrible Twos" !! LOL

Happy Birthday Seth, may you have many more.

Congrats Brother!!! Be careful though, I was 10 lbs 24 inches long and thats how I got the nick name Moose!! lol Best of luck to you and your family!! HEY! Any Pictures??????

Congratulations Jack!! Best of luck to you on selling the ranch and moving to the Cape, catch a fish for moose!!.....sigh....like 25 years to go for me!!!! lmao Best Of Luck To You Jack!

I am working that night too, 36 hour shift at the EMS gig....sigh....But I will try to jump in for a little while, call volume dependent also! lol

Basically the same thing I was trying to say, but you say it much better brother!! lol I was bringing up points made and highlights of the "Study" from Boston in order to encourage discussion. I failed to point out that I myself started in 3/4 hip boots and was changed over to pants in 1994. BUT....(cringe) I do not wear a hood by choice, so I can feel any drastic changes in temperature. To each his own I guess! lol Each of us have our ways of doing things we have become comfortable with. Good post and excellent points.

Took the words out of my mouth. Yes, they did the study, I have talked to a respected fireman from Boston who detailed this report and sent a PDF file for me to view about the report. It stated that "Heat Related Injuries" are non-existent in their dept because they allow firefighters to wear boots instead of pants. But their "Burn Injuries" stayed the same. Pants are bulky, warm, and hinder your movement. Boots allow more movement, are less restrictive and are cooler to wear. The coat tails protect your legs because in a fire you are SUPPOSED to be down low and crawling. This also allows you to tell if the situation is getting worse. Todays envelope is TOO protective if you ask me. It gives us a sense of safety and invincibility and pushes us to go deeper into untenable situations and before we know it the floor is collapsing, or the room is flashing. Burns will happen regardless of the protection you wear, and the burns while in bunkers could be worse. You are sweaty underneath the bunkers, you are caught in rapid flame movement and enveloped in fire for a few seconds...you are saved from thermal burns but you are Steamed like a lobster. My main point is that either way, the job is dangerous and you will get burned regardless of what you wear. Lately, the LODD statistics show an increase in the "Heat/stress related, cardiac" causes of fire scene deaths. I wonder if this would still be true if we still had the Choice to wear 3/4 boots OR pants? Are there any Jakes from Boston here that could elaborate more on the study, and the use of 3/4 boots? Stay Safe everyone.

People were calling it an "Empress" bus... I was just defending the poster and commenting on his pictures.

In this shot you will see the roof of a bus just going under the overpass....I cant tell if its an Empress unit or not...how is everyone else making that determination? Just curious. Great Shots Andy.

Happy Birthday Jim, have a great day!

AMEN to that!!!! Thats how it is here, you get elected ONLY because you are in the "CLick" and buy the most beers at the "Station 2" across the street. No one cares about training, experience, and years in the service....Its all about whos going to make it easier for the department and not force a bunch of stuff on ya. SORRY, but this ticks me off!!! LOL You cant find a dept that elects "Qualified" people for officer any more, its now "Popularity Contests".

Exactly why I like our old 1971 Ward Lafrance so much...I think I will shed a tear when we replace it, than go bankrupt trying to buy it from the dept!! Picture courtesy of John F. Kenealy of Central New York Fire Trucks. I have a pic of it too, but his looks better!!! lol Im glad it is returning to the museum and will hopefully be viewed right next to the '65 eng 51.

Excellent topic Captain, and I agree with ALS. The IC can be considered one of the "2 out", but as a firefighter I usually dont even think about the 2/2 rule, I think about the people and their possessions, which is bad I know, but with todays manpower issues its really difficult. If we followed that rule to the "T" than a lot of houses would burn and a lot more people would die. I would ultimately do what my IC tells me to do unless its grossly negligent and will hurt or kill me or my partner, like telling me to vent the roof when its obviously sagging bad and about to collapse. The IC is IC because he/she has the training the experience and knowledge to tell me what to do, and I will never question their judgement unless its like I mentioned. 2/2 is a tough issue and Im intrigued to see what transpires here in this discussion!! lol

On The Wheel, you said exactly what I was going to say, and I have more to add to this, and I wish EVERYONE to keep an open mind and try to take this as a reminder of what the fire service is, in so many ways....a Paramilitary organization, where ranks, experience, knowledge and RESPECT all must be maintained in order to operate efficiently. As a young Junior Firefighter myself, when I was 14 on Long Island where I started out, the first thing I learned wasnt about fire behavior, or tools, or ventilation, or even turnout gear....It was about RESPECT. When I was attending our monthly Juniors Meeting and the Chief walked in we were to all immediately stand up at attention until the chief told us to stand down. When the fire trucks got back from calls, if every Junior ( that showed up for the call) was not ready to clean and re-pack the house beds you had cleaning duty at the station for a week after school, and god help you if there were firefighters cleaning equipment while you sat and rested....WHOOO!!! When I finally showed the respect for officers and Sr Firefighters, I was allowed to take the Bright Orange Helmet and replace it with a normal Junior Helmet and participate in drills alongside firefighters who all eagerly taught me everything I wanted to know. At this stage the next lesson was "As a Junior Firefighter/Probie YOU KNOW NOTHING!!" and if anyone acted like they knew everything they were embarrassed in front of everyone and you were always picked on first to perform the evolutions and if you couldnt do it you were made example of in front of the entire Junior Corps until you were finally humbled and understood that even the most SR, Experienced Firefighters will never know everything and that every day should be spent trying to learn something new. I remember the last Junior that tried to say he "Knew everything about hoselines and didnt need any help or back up...." Two firefighters stood behind him, and the Pump Operator opened up the pressure until the kid started falling backwards until the firefighters caught him and backed him up. They shut the line down and the kid walked over with a sad look of defeat, and the fireman adviser said one of my favorite quotes today..."Id rather go into a burning building with someone who is constantly trying to learn rather than someone who thinks he knows it all." From that day forward I respected my elders and my officers, whenever they spoke my mouth was shut and I listened and didnt DARE try to argue a point with them or speak myself, and I tried to always learn something new every day. THAT...Is what I believe Seth tried to say in so many ways. I believe he was talking about the arrogant younger members that are always trying to critique incidents and question what seasoned firefighters are doing at fires....instead of listening to the senior members and asking questions. Its not a matter of your opinions being heard, its the responses to the advice you receive from the senior members in response to your opinions that offend. When a senior member tries to tell the younger members they are wrong and to listen....they for some reason take extreme personal offense to that and start to argue the point instead of making it the learning experience that it is. Did I make any sense? The respect and desire to learn, and the PATIENCE to be able to do so is completely gone....It has been replaced with the need for "Overnight Sensations"....depts who take every probie fresh out of Basic training and throw them immediately into a hazardous environment without any further training, or supervision by senior firefighters due to lack of manpower. It used to be you could take that probie and CONTINUE the basic training in house with mask confidence drills, hose drills, ladder drills....than taking the probie and pairing them up with a senior firefighter and sending them into their first fire so they can LEARN street smarts from the Sr guy, learn the ropes, start taking that training and begin to UNDERSTAND it better than any book can explain it, but with the safety and experience of the senior firefighter. So to DonMoose, no offense brother, and if you do take offense to all of this than firefighting is not for you, but You Have NOT done your share of training OR Probationary status...because you obviously have not been humbled enough and your posts reflect that. Try to learn from the senior members, they have earned that respect (some of them, I realize there are a few who act immature enough to be probies again, but there are those that try to talk to you, and not down to you.) Offer your opinions brother, you and EVERY member listening, but when someone tries to show you something that you may have missed or that you might be wrong about, it takes a better person to accept they made the mistake and try to learn from it as opposed to becoming a hot head and arguing the point till your blue in the face....Understand better now? I hope, because the fire service needs people like you with the passion and desire to become good firefighters. Sorry for ranting so long, just wanted to help make the point I believe Seth, and the others, were making.