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Ok, list the pros and cons of both. Try and get as many as you can and list them here, just quote the last person and continue their list and see how big we can make the list. Ill start it off. Smoothe Bore 1- Pro- Less pressure, easily manageable with limited manpower 2- Pro- More penetration to the seat of the fire, less disruption of the thermal layer Fog Nozzle 1- Pro- Protection from heat with fog pattern. 2- Con- Higher PSI needed for effective flow.

Seth, dont you know its not the SIZE of the rescue, its how you use it... Mark, please do not let any of these guys deter you from posting pics any more, you take good ones and all of the pics on this site are a good learning tool, especially when the chiefs involved post here and share their insight on the incident and what was going through their minds. This was a challenging scene, and it was mitigated safely and quickly with no serious injury or worse, to me thats a good day! Keep posting pics and dont let them stop you, the mods on this site will do their jobs and we will support both you and the mods. Great Job.

Excellent job on the stabilization on that one chief! Looked like a big challenge and it was handled very professionally, excellent job to you and the crews. Mark, great pictures!

He must have founded the Ladder Company, didnt realy need a ladder though.

I wanted to give a shout out for any and all available help with an issue we are having with our one and only engine. Please help... We had our pump tests yesterday. We have an engine (1000/1000gpm) and our engine/tanker (2000/1250gpm), the tanker is primarily used as a tanker, although it has the pump, full compliment of attack hose and tools, 2 air packs and ladders, it still is used as our tanker for shuttle ops due to our lack of water supplies in our town. We only have 2 dry-hydrants in use, and several personal ponds scattered around the town. Our engine failed the pump test, the impeller is bad and we need to either replace it or get a newer truck. Our dept was already trying to replace our aging ambulance which does more duty than our fire dept, but is falling apart litterally. Every call it goes on we experience tech diff and its out of service for a few days. So we have been trying to get that replaced and have nothing for the engine repair/replacement. My question is, does anyone have an old engine you could sell to us cheap, or no of anyone that has an engine? Nothing special, atleast 1000 gallon tank with a decent pump, we dont need it to be outfitted with any equipment, we have all of that, we just are desparate for an attack engine to replace ours. If anyone has info please PM or email me, my email is in my profile and we can communicate by phone if ok with you. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated, we are a small rural department and do not have much. I have contacted a few people I know and they are looking, but if any of you have or know someone who has something, let me know. Thanks brothers, we realy need your help on this one. Brian Captain, Carlisle Fire & Rescue

Let me know the specifics and a contact (via PM ofcourse), thanks for the info.

Rest in Peace brother. All my thoughts and prayers to his family and friends during their time of grief, may they find comfort and get through.

No biggie! I was looking at some used trucks from PA, and even NJ. I guess if we found the right deal we would get it some how!! Thanks for the info. Stay Safe

Yes...thats why you see in my sidebar, under location I put what I put. We are a small rural farm community. The biggest department in our county is the best off, covering SUNY college and a Wal-Mart among other big stores who all give out monies to volunteer agencies covering their locations annually to assist in protecting their stores. The SUNY campus alone requires that the local FD have an appropriate aerial device to cover their dorm buildings and fire emergencies and assist them to have one at all times. In my current department only a few minutes ride north of that location we are ALL farmland and small residential areas, no commercial districts, no industrial districts other than repair garages and such. My roster has only 23 active firefighters, out of those only 9 are certified interior firefighters...Most of the roster is older members who only ride fire police or assist with EMS calls, being past chiefs and officers who now just want to help. Our younger membership is dwindling fast and the money just isnt there, yet we do an average of 140 calls a year, which isnt much to some of you I know, but we still have the need. This past year the town highway received a new building and truck which wiped out any extra money the town had. Our budget (If you call it that) is so small it looks like my daughters piggy bank is bigger. I just recently transfered here in the past year from the other department I mentioned above, and they couldnt get me a set of turnouts until almost a year after joining, I had another department down in the HV area donate a bunch of turnouts but they were all pressing the expiration date as well. We currently use a infrared thermometer as a "TIC", and only have a small CO meter bought from a local hardware store to use in emergencies. Our ambulance is falling apart yet it runs about 3 times a week (I know thats not a lot to most of you but its still more than our FD runs and the ambulance gets used) and every call it gets taken out of service for repairs for a day or two. Its not safe and we are working on repairing it and fighting with the commissioners and the town board to replace it. Now the attack engine goes... It sucks but we deal with what we are dealt and make the best out of it. Since joining this department last June (a year ago) we had 3 structure fires in our district and two of those houses are still standing and being repaired. The third was a single wide trailer that was gone before they even called us. So we put up a fight at least and make due with what we have but we shouldnt have to, know what I mean? If anyone can help us let me know, I am not ashamed to ask for help, because we need it. Thanks again to all the replies, I am looking into each suggestion, and right now am talking to a chief from the NY area who might be giving us a rig...They are saving our lives!!! I am waiting for a call back to confirm and my department is EXTATIC for their generosity. Makes you remember that brotherhood still exists out there.

Our test was done in a large pond in our town, and was done twice by two techs. Then when we had our mechanic look at it he said it was definitely the impeller that was bad. We thought about the second opinion but the truck has had a lot of money put into it already and is showing wear. It also needs 3 new tires but they are on split rims and would take 1,200 dollars a piece to replace...too much money that we dont have. We cant even buy a TIC, or extra turnouts. We have people in gear over the ten year limit but cant do anything about it.

Thanks again to ALL of the replies found in my PM this morning!! Got TONS of leads and info and I appreciate ALL of it. I told my chief last night at the station that I was looking into it and asking my "network" for any leads, and now she knows just how big my "network" realy is!! I will reply to all of you individually as well but it will take some time, but thank you again for all the leads, we are looking into all of them. Thanks Moose

Thanks to those who responded by PM, if there are any more out there with any info or leads to decent used engines please let me know. Thanks again, I am tracking down a few leads now. Stay Safe

I agree. A fog nozzle in the hands of an inexperienced or untrained firefighter is a dangerous thing. There was one time when the lining of our hose started to deteriorate and the bits of rubber jammed up all three of the fog nozzles operating at the time. Cost us lots of money to replace or repair those nozzles. I prefer a smooth bore but my dept swears by the adjustable fog type, but they cant tell me why... Good points.

Not for nothing, and please dont take this wrong, its only an observation that I am pointing out to you. Whenever you use a fog nozzle you add air to the fire, you disrupt the thermal layer and "Push" the fire around if you are not careful. The air in the CAFS is no different, and can be just as dangerous in the hands of someone who is not trained or uncomfortable using the technology. They are the same, just that the CAFS has foam in the stream. Its not economically feasible in my area, just one five gallon pail of the Class "A" Foam would send our commisioners into coronary failure...wait...that might help, maybe I will bring it up at our next meeting! I would love to see it used here with our lack of manpower, our mutual aid dept has 2 engines with CAFS and I generaly roll them at every daytime structure fire or vehicle fire in our district. But they are finding it hard to purchase the foam as well, so training is minimal (annual foam training) and they only use it if they need to.

May he rest in peace, and may his family and friends find comfort in their time of need. I hope they catch the SOB that started the fire, keep us posted. My prayers to all involved and a speedy recovery to the injured brothers.

I worked with a set called "Kinman" electric tools when I first joined. They were huge, heavy, bulky and hard to use. They were in a carry box with a 12V battery in it and a set of jumper cables. When the battery ran out (fairly quickly, one or two cuts) you could attach the cables to any 12V battery and run off it. Didnt have a lot of power but was "somewhat" portable if you had 2 guys with no back problems and a few extra 12V batteries in your turnouts. I would love to see these in a demo, how long do they last on a charge? Do they have the same power as hydraulics? Interesting. Here is a link I just found, probably will show how old I am but wanted everyone to see what they looked like! Kinman Rescue

Happy Birthday Seth. I hope you had a great day filled with lots of memories, enjoy the memories while you can before the alzheimers and dimentia kick in!! Happy Birthday. Moose

Fire Safety Rep is a good job and we need 3 more I believe. There is 6 of us now. I have to take that test in October, will I see any of you there? Let me know we can do lunch. Just have your people call my people and we'll do lunch!

In addition to our ambulance that rolls to all fire calls, we have one additional unit for the FAST, and another on standby for ours, both for additional calls and if we transport anyone from the scene they can move up. Our county regs require a dedicated ambulance just for the FAST to be on scene, being its a county FAST. We require all interiors to get rehabbed after their second air bottle. They need vitals checked, re-hydration and monitoring for heat related illness. This is a mandatory 15 minute brake before they can return to the scene.

I Like the idea, it will keep the clutter from the recent topics section and some good topics will not be burried under dozens of "IA Questions" such as the infamous "Does anyone know whats going on in..." There is sometimes a few days in between when I can log on and I go to find a specific topic Im following and its burried under these questions, so I like this feature. Good job to the staff and keep it coming.

Planes are totaly different than cars and buses, just look at below posts. Jet fuel burns better, and its stored in the fuselage and wings, you cant just grab the tools and go to work, things need to be planned and skilled references need to be used at scene like pilots and mechanics. This is a good point. These crash scenes need to be treated like crime scenes for the sake of the investigation by NTSB. Any part of the plane that is moved by well-intentioned yet poorly trained first responders could throw off the investigation. Maybe NTSB needs to have a training seminar on the crash scene response. All very good reasons to approach the crash MUCH more different than a car or bus. These ballistic parachute systems, what force do they eject from the plane with and can they kill us? I never knew about these and Im glad you brought them up. We may be located in a small community in the mountains, but the Albany International Airport is 35 minutes to the east of us and their patterns fly over our county, and there are two smaller airports in the two neighboring towns to our east and west, mostly small personal aircraft like cessna's but its still a threat, it could very well happen to us some day and yet when I bring it up about taking the Airplane Crash fire and Rescue class they all snicker at me. Its scary, but if it happens our county will not be ready...

I dont think we should focus on any one team or sport for that matter, it is more like a certain group of people that take things WAY too far and WAY too personal. Sports are there for our entertainment and fun, but when people take it this seriously...??? Whats next, starting a world war over a gold medal event in the olympics?? Its scary to even think about and its turning me off to sports all together. You cant just watch your favorite team any more and have intelligent conversation with friends and family about the sport any more without harmless kidding around that turns into arguments and words of hate, than eventually riots. I watch my sports events behind closed doors now, and only get together with my brother to watch football games and stay away from the absolute fanatics that are ruining the game today. But, atleast the crowd returned to the scene to help clean up the damages, thats a start I guess. I will be waiting for the "Made for TV" Movie about the riots on Lifetime or some other feel good network to come out...

Thoughts and prayers to the family and friends, may he rest in peace. So young...

I want to get a 6' barlight to put on the roof of my Ford Taurus, so it sticks out a few inches on either side of the car like most others around me, maybe then I will be cool... Simply put, I have a dashmaster strobe light that I have had for years and can count how many times I have used it on one hand. The trunk is huge, so I keep my gear there, no special way, just easy to grab. When its used at fires it gets aired out either at firehouse or my garage for a few hours before going back in. Make sure you wash the gear off after the fire, dont be one of those rediculous "A"holes that keep the gear as dirty as possible thinking its a measure of your experience. The cleaner the gear the longer it will last. (And the less complaining from the wife that the car stinks like smoke! ) As captain I am issued both a mobile and portable radio. The mobile is kept under the arm rest inbetween the two front seats out of the way, the only thing that makes it look "Buffy" is the HUGE antennae the dept had...Its like a 4' long whip antennae that sits on the roof of my Taurus and makes me look like a ham-radio job rolling down the road, otherwise I keep the portable charger in the house and charge the radio after every use, why install a charger in the car?

I will be working in Thiells this week and will try to go, if not, I will shoot you an email Vinny. Best of luck to you and your mother, my prayers are with you. Hang in there brother. Moose