IzzyEng4

In CT, Monroe Fire runs a Mack / Middlesex pumper with two hose reels equaling 4000 feet (I think) of 5 inch, Stepney FD has a Maxim with 3000 feet on a reel and Scotland FD has a truck they bought out of Cape Cod that has 3000 on a reel. These towns are rural and have very long lays from hydrants or water sourses.

ALL RED, DARK RED, Black over red, White Over red, Redtruck, white accents with red top...... ECT

Only if it is a remeberance of those members who were lost to that particular company. Just my feelings.

"ALL WAYS EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED!"

Wow Adding a new company. That is great. I know they closed a couple companies down in the past. Finally some good news!! GL to the Yonkers FD.

They Smeal ladders will be twins to the UT 100's on HME chassis. I was at the plant back on Monday for our truck and they are not in production yet. I'm going back in February for our final and I'll see if the chassis are in and other info for you all. Izzy

I know a guy in my department that was a live in in PGCFD. I forget what house, but he did respond with 33's alot to calls. He was down there during the later 70's early 80's and said it was unreal.

CT it depends where you work. Some towns and regional dispatch centers for full time start any where from $10 to $21 per hour. Like I said it depends where you work. Part tine is lower from 10 to 13 per hour. There is now salary positions that I know of unless your a director.

He ALS, you sure it's a pack, almost looks like a can, but still I agree with you and hope that isn't someones pack. Speedy recovery to the firefighter. Too many close calls man, too many.

I meant by fitted to mean it fitted my head right with the osha / nfpa stuff. Sorry about the confusion there. Thanks I'll check into what you have said. Also anyone else with ideas, please let me know Thanks again

I posted elsewhere too on this. Yonkers is getting two new Smeal UT 100's on HME chassis. The are not in production yet but are on order. I was out at Smeal earlier this week for our new engine inspection. I'll check the next ti,e I go out in February and see if I can get a "spy shot" if they started to build them.

Actually Fire capt, a lot of people like to keep tradition alive. Heck look at FDNY, they had gold leaf up until the 70's I think. Yes it can be expensive and that has to be looked at. But if a company wants to add "flare" so to speak and are willing to pay for it themselves (not district / department money) then why not. Of course you then have compaies and Departments that go overboard, but that is another issue. Mainly it's traditional, plus now there are so many "gold leaf" alternatives that resemble it, that is the future. I beleive gone are the days of 22k and 14k. We got it on our truck because we paid for it and not the town and the stlying has been the same on three trucks now. Since we did this, we were able to do more with the truck itself, though it was a smaller amount but it helped. I am not arguing with you at all, just a point of view and I respect yours as well. There are a lot of options out there.

We use "Nothing Showing, Out Investigating" for an outside street box pull station only. We vary rarely use and discurage members to use this when responding to any other type of call. If it is a structure call we always give a size up and say we are investigating even if we do not "see" anything. If we are giving an update about the investigation, we will say "we are checking, so far nothing showing" for short lingo, but this is by no means an indication of "ok pack up we're out of here." I agree with you all in what you are saying and if this term is being used, make sure that it is used for one specific thing. Just remember how you say it and when you use it can be misunderstood. I know this for a fact 'cause one of my guys said nothing showing, while I was pulling a line to the back porch. It has to be specific and mean that you are investigating and the response is still the same until we are certain there is no incident.

Hey All I could not rememebr where I said i would post this, so here is a new topic. I just got back yesterday from Smeal's factory in Snyder, NE checking out my company's new truck. I was talking with the rep and he stated that Yonjer's new ladders are going to be identical with the two already in service. They are on HME chassis and have a heavy duty aerial ladder with out a prepiped water way. They are not in production at this time but the are going to be started as soon as the new chassis come in. I'll be heading back out there for my truck's final inspection and I'll see if there is any more info on them. They were rumored at looking for delivery in the fall. They are booming out there.

The song is by Soil on their second album. I think the name is "What Say you" Great band to see live.

I can make a fly speaker box for the hose bed, plus add some hydraulics, Lets bounce that front!

As far as I know it's a standard engine comapny that has a pump rated for 1500 to 2000 gpm and has at least 1500 feet of five inch supply line. I say check out pafirefighter.net or centralpafire.com, they might have links to those companies that run "pipeline" engines. I think some NJ companies that boarder PA run pipelines as well.

Ant.... Sorry I meant NFPA1904 standard for aerial apparatus my bad there. Let me know. Thank you. Also my essentials book - 3rd Edition qoutes "The fully extended length, also refered to as the working height, of North American made aerial ladders is 50 to 135 feet." (I left out the length in meters)

antiquefirelt, then is the NFPA guideline wrong then??? If so they have been teaching this wrong for at least 15 years I have been in the fire service. All the ladder operators and manufacuters have always said that a stick is measured by length of the ladder, not tip to ground. If you really think about it, then a 105 ft Rearmount would actully be 5 to 7 feet longer if it was straight up. Everyone that I have asked says it's from the tip to the base at the turntable. Plus to we had Mike Wilbur from FDNY up here a few years ago for an aerial class and he said the same thing. So who's right? I need to know now

We ordered our new piece with gold leaf lettering and a stripe to separate the top & bottom colors of our cab. We had the money to do so left over in out budget for the truck. If we didn't we would have gone with something else. However we did not spec any accet striping except for thecab boarder stripe.

I my opinion I think if FDNY adopted preconnects, only to use a couple feet of hose to feed the line, say 50 to 100 ft. that's all. But why even bother with that, they have a really good system that works for them.

The video's were tanken down. Now there is a "defense fund" information list on it.

My departmetn has one chiefs truck for the chief of department. The four assistants run their own vehicles and are equiped with lights, sirens and radios by the department. They usually run thier own vehicles to the scenes and wait for apparatus to be in position prior to them placeing the vehicle near the scene for the command post (including the chief's truck) The chiefs are permitted to ride the trucks in town or drive them if there is another chief is responding or if a driver is needed. I has worked great for us. I think we would have a duty "truck" but due to fiscal constraints we cannot afford one at this time.

EMS, definately, but also persistance does help. Unfortunately, like you said in not so many word, people have become very complacent and only care about use when they need us. I whole heartedly agree. There is a time an place when to use a siren system of course, but it also depends what type of system. For use, we use the gamewll box location system. If its from a pull station, the box "rings" the number four times. If we get a call by 911 or from a walk up or police officer, then the box number is struck 3 times. If its a non-fire emergency (AKA Hazmat), then the signal is 3 blast, four times. This alerts us what we are going to. I don't think we need to have a siren activated for a punp out or wires down or a public assist of some sort, unless it an extreem public danger. I have to find the homeland security outline, I had it when it came out in 2002 but I don't remember what the guidelines are now.

EMSCOMM80, You are right on many of your points. But the problem lies with this..... WE ARE WORST ENEMIES ABOUT TEACHING THE PUBLIC ABOUT ALL THE EQUIPMENT WE USE.. (caps for emphasis only). When I go to Delware county to visit my girl's family, It was nice to hear the after noon and evening signals. One day in particular there was a group of teens from the area and teh noon signal went off. One of them just said "It's 12 already????" Quite to my suprise to hear this but that is what the problem is. Many new people who move into these districts or towns complain about the noise and everything else. We had one resident in my town that wanted us to stop using the truck sirens after a vertain hour. Needless to say residents don't even acknowledge or move out of the way of trucks now!!!!!!!! Who hear hasn't had someone pull over to the right like there supposed to????? Alerting sirens are not outdated, they need to be updated. And now in the age of homelans security, any town, village, hamlet, or county that wants to install a siren warning device is guarantee to get a grant to put one in. We're reverting back to the CD days. Plus too, when was the last time that anyone had received a public notice or saw in the papaer or the news about alert sirens??? NEVER. You always see the negative side of the story, not the reason why they are there. Case and point That is why in my opinion why you all had the problem with Indian Point doing there test. We had the same problem up here at Milstone a few years back while that plant was still operating. Half the people knew what it was for and the other half either didn't know or ignored it. Now if this was a real emergency, we know who will be still walking around with no clue to get out. Another point is this, I had a neighbor who moved in from one of the larger cities up here come to me and ask about out siren. Again he said it was annoying, which I understand, but I explained it to him. We use the box signals to alert the firefighters and public of where the alarm is. We also have a box signal for NO SCHOOL, MAJOR EMERGENCY, the old AIR RAID signal, and also incase the river that flows through the city floods. I also explained that incase we lost power or even if our radio system failed for some odd reason (I've worked as a fire dispatcher for several towns and it is not fun when the radio system failed. There was no other way of alerting them of a call since they got rid of their Gamewell system), we will still be alerted to a call from a pull box since it is a separate power suppy to it and runs on a generator. Of course, all things can fail right?? Murphy's Law. Another case and point, go into every house that you respond to and see how many people have a wall mounted or cord phone, not many. How can they dial 911??? Cell phones, forget it, not many of thier backups work well on the towers. At least the pull box system will work where we are. We proved that when we had the black out a few years ago, until UI was able to get all of us back up in 30 minutes. Yest, cost is a factor for many cities and agencies to keep these systems up, it's hard and that is the main factor why we may loos part of our system. Tradition? Yah it's fine but also when it comes to something that works, sometime traditional means work better. My point is simple... 1. Educate the public that if there is an alert sytem in place, explain what it is used for. Give a "run card" locator with the boxes or signals and an explaination why they are in use. 2. Look at homeland security and see what is recomended about warning sirens and direct the public to look up the information them selves. 3. Remind them that a little inconvenience may infact help them or someone they know incase of an emergency. 4. Let them know that even though we have pagers that the alert horns also notify use incase we don't have a pager on, near a scanner or like several FD's, don't have pagers at all. Also let them know this is a good back up to alert emergency services and the public that something is going on. 5. If you educate the public about the warnign siren, then people are more adapted to realize and not freak out then the trucks come roaring by. It's not hard to do everyone. We just have to make people more aware and smart again.