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Last list # in the first class off of 6019 was around 865. Don't forget that of the 300 that are talking about hiring lots will be EMS promotions and there were tons of guys that deferred the first class... I would bet they wont get into the 1200's hiring 300... Also, I feel badly for any brother who gets laid off no matter where they work...But handing someone a job with the most sought-after department on the face of the globe will never happen regardless of their circumstances. The law suits generated by such a move would make the Vulcan suits look like child's play.

Chauffeur Training School

Food for thought, answer these to yourself (not in the forum) and decide how experienced you "really" are: If a FAST is activated chances are shitt has hit the proverbial fan and interior conditions are less than ideal... **Assume training does not count there is significantly less stress during training burns so it is much easier to think clearly.** Have you ever preformed a primary search in a zero viability environment with a moderate to high heat condition? Have you ever preformed forcible entry under conditions mentioned above? Do you know enough about building construction to understand dangers specific to the variety buildings you may be searching? Do you know where the most dangerous place to be is during a fire? Do you have an idea of how much fire you can actually control with a water can? Do you have enough experience to know when a rescue effort becomes a recovery effort? If you were trapped, would you want yourself coming in after you?

Do most incident commanders choose what FAST/RIT to request based simply on geographic proximity of a team to the location of an incident? Do local dispatch centers make available average response times for FAS/RI teams, not only their "on location" times but their times from dispatch to response? Does your department have a SOG to automatically add a FAS/RI team to the assignment is a 10-75 is transmitted? Do FAS/RI teams generally make available their average turnout and average level of team experience to neighboring department heads? Please don't turn this thread into this one is better than that one... Just interested in knowing if this type of info is available out there to help in making decisions about who is coming to cover your a**.

Good luck on the new rigs,I'm sure they will both be geat....But I'm sad that the days of seeing two sticks to the roof in a hot hurring in Ossining are drawing to a close.

The judge actually is not citing that the questions on the test are discriminatory at all....No BS If you download and read the 50+ page opinion that Judge Garaufis released with his ruling he leans on a theory of liability called "Disparate Impact" which prohibits an employer from using a facially neutral employment practice that has an unjustified adverse impact on members of a protected class.... """The disparate impact theory of liability will succeed if the plaintiff can prove that these employment policies had the effect of excluding persons who are members of Title VII's protected classes. Once disparate impact is established, the employer must justify the continued use of the procedure or procedures causing the adverse impact as a "business necessity." Proof of discriminatory motive is not required, because in these types of cases Congress is concerned with the consequences of employment practices, not simply the motivation. If the employer proves that the requirement being challenged is job related, the plaintiff must then show that other selection devices without a similar discriminatory effect would also serve the employer's legitimate interest in efficient workmanship.""" In plain English this means; because non-Asian minorities failed the test at a higher rate than white males the test is automatically deemed discriminatory Under Title VII. It wouldn't matter if the test questions were connect the dots. If minorities don't pass the test at a rate close to that of white males the test discriminates against them. Crazy huh????? Link to Chief Mannix Group: http://meritmattersusa.blogspot.com

RAC= Recuperation and Care: They bring water gatoraid hot stuff in winter, cold towels in summer etc. MERV= Mobile Emergency Response Vehicle, EMS uses for field triage (that's all I've seen them used for) Fire Patrol no longer exists but they were a salvage corps.

Does stepping off the rig count as doing something?

Don't have a cow Cap, it is widely referred to by that name on our job.....take a bit of levity. I am well aware of the heat associated with a job in a fireproof, especially if the fire is wind driven. I wasn't taking a shot at out R&D department or NIST.... they do great work

Ahh, the Coward Nozzle.... Ill get a pic next time I'm in (if the engine guys let me take it off their rig). Its a long aluminum pipe shaped sort of like a question mark shut off at one end smooth bore MST on the other (fed by 2 1/2). It is laid on the the window sill on the floor below to cool off/knock down fire above in a fireproof. I heard a chief give a report about a week ago that E50 was operating it at a job, which would be it's first use in the field. Certain companies that run to lots of Class 1 MD's have been assigned these nozzles.

It's a sad day....I grew up on Oscars products and have served then in the Firehouse Kitchen. Good Luck to Jerry, I am sure he will rebuild and be as good as ever.

There is no incident command system in place in the scenario you describe, the whole operation sounds to be a recipie for disaster. A commercial building of that size needs to be divided into sectors with an ops leader for each sector. A logistics officer needs to be assigned to coordinate the automatic incoming mutal aid at a pre-planned staging area. Maze like conditions also dictate each search team deploying and searching off a rope. As for your questions: Who's searching where? You would have no idea What accountability do you have for these responders? None in the scenario described You're an officer/chief - would you tolerate this? No What would you do to resolve it and/or prevent it from happening in the future? Order a complete evacuation of the building (the age old pull the air horn's), gain command and control of the incident by employing an ICS strategy and re-deploy assets in a coordinated manner. my .02

Same as A Class 3

This SUCKS!!!! All the FDNY manuals preach that size up begins at the receipt of the ticket and it actually did, until now. Unknown Condition = Life Alert Malfunction (1+1) 2 Structural Fire (1+1) = Car fires Subway Fire on the El (1+1)= Man down on the tracks Several Unknown HazMat (3+2 HM Batt, Squad, HM1, Rescue Batt, Rescue) = GAS LEAK And whoever is putting these things in the cad doesn't know what "second source" or "fill out the box" really means. I feel even worse for our dispatchers that are second to none on the planet that have no information and are trying to keep things going smoothly. AND ESU ARE GETTING HUGE HEAD STARTS

I'm a career FF and I don't make $20/hr either.... All emergency service personnel are undervalued and underpaid, the problem is nobody thinks they are ever going to need FD or EMS...

E118 runs with only 2" and 2 1/2" attack line... Sorry chief, I had to

I have no issues with crosslays on rigs in general but pre-connected beds lead to either sort stretching or line spaghetti. Properly controlling a stretch is one of the more difficult tasks on the fireground, this in my opinion is the reason why pre-connected beds have become common place. For most suburban departments who protect primarily single and two family private dwellings, running with two pre-connected beds (3 lengths and 4 lengths) of attack line will handle 90% of their fire incidents. These pre-connected beds are particularly useful for volunteer departments where staffing on the first due engine may be minimal, two men can easily stretch a 4 length mattydale of 1 3/4 line, there is no need for the "control" man to return to the panel to hand off to the chauffeur and convey hose diameter, number of lengths, nozzle type and tip, and what floor the fire is on. A simple radio transmission of "bed #1 to the second floor" allows the chauffer to calculate his "street hydraulics" because "bed #1" is always run for instance; 4 lengths of 2" attack line with 1 1/2" controlling nozzle with 15/16 MST he adds the floor for head loss/gain and bingo. Now, I do agree that mattydales are partially responsible for poor engine placement but for a slightly different reason that you cited. The use of mattydales in conjunction with In line pumping (taking hydrant before fire building and laying in) almost strong arms chauffeurs to stop smack in front of the fire building because he doesn't want to have to repack more LDH and he is afraid of short stretching if he were to pull completely past the fire building. Ultimately, poor engine placement falls on the shoulders of the chauffeur and no one else. The City of New York is certainly a different world because of the hydrant frequency on blocks but their SOP is to backstretch attack line (where the chauffeur stops with the back step even with the front door, the attack team pulls their necessary folds then the engine proceeds to a hydrant after the fire building) in most cases ensures that the first due truck will have the opportunity to take a good position in front of the fire building. Obviously, back stretching with a mattydale bed is not going to work... As far as the interference goes, maybe I'm old school but I prefer to have everything possible at my panel when I am operating. I was taught never to trust a gauge and there is no better test of a flowing hoseline than to stand on it and feel how much, if at all, it gives when you put wight on it. If I have a hose team calling me saying they need more pressure and I stand on the line and it is like a rock and flowing water I know that I have a kink issue and increasing the pressure is not the answer to my troubles. If my panel is on the outboard side of the incident and the mattydales are pulled off the inboard side, they may be out of my way but now I may need a helper to check on them for me because I am married to that panel once I have men in an IDLH area. I will happily deal with the tangle as it can be quite useful to me as the MPO.

We all have Petzl systems and Gemtor harness' in FDNY

I can't answer that but I'm Sure Lt. McGibbon can, his contact info came with the T shirt stuff..... Oh, and yes sir...

She has no issues financially.

I am a graduate of FDNY Class 2 of 08. We lost a classmate much earlier than any of us expected, we continue to mourn and remember our brother Jamel. My condolences continue to go out to his family who can rest assured that the brothers will always be there for them. If anyone is interested in purchasing a memorial shirt for Jamel Please PM me That said; the idea that FST training is somehow a racist plot that was cooked up to hinder minorities from completing probie school is laughable. In plain english: FST is the single most exhausting simulation of firefighting activities imaginable PERIOD. But hey, we are talking about the training academy for the greatest Fire Department on the face of the earth...So is HAS to be on a whole other level. Ok, so my point is FST is tough but WE ALL DID IT....Some were good at it, some were not so good but every single person went to FST at least once a week more often twice. The females did it, the latin guys did it, the white guys did it, the Asians, the African Americans EVERYBODY... We all got through it with the exception of Jamel. The loss of Jamel was tragic, but racist? I guarantee that it was not Edited as not to give anyone any more ammunition

I suggest that the author of the article goes to work with a FDNY for a few sets. Maybe they will catch a job on the 7th story of a Class 1 MD, he doesn't even need to carry a tool he can just watch as someone humps his can, maul and hook up the 7 flights. Then he can mask up (not rest up) at the stairway door because the residents left the apartment door open in a panic and the smoke is banked down to the floor in the public hall. They can go ahead and crawl down the hall as fast as possible to make the apartment door so they can get control of it before the windows let loose and the wind causes the fire to blowtorch down the hallway. After they get the door closed then they can take a few seconds to regroup before making entry into the apartment (which is 550 degrees) to locate, and confine the seat of the fire. Just for good measure; conduct a primary and to find a 10-45 or four, and get them down to EMS. Spend another hour or so mopping up because they have too much pride to let another company clean up a mess in our first due. Then go back to the firehouse take a shower sit down for 10 minuets or less before going back in service so we can get the re-locater home. Then do it all over again the next time the call comes... then he can write another article with his opinion on any person going 20 years doing that job without getting hurt in a way that prevents them from doing that every day.

All this crap over a BS sovereign nation the US created (basically flat out stealing the land from Palestinians) after WWII because we felt the world needed to do something to right the wrongs of the Nazi party. Israel is not even the size of Vermont and the Gaza strip is HALF the size of Putnam county, why the name of pete do we allow this to effect our pocketbooks (rhetorical question).I think the Pope and other Christian religions should stake a claim over there too because the area was the stomping ground of Jesus Christ as well. Then the US spinelessly abstains at the UN hearing when they vote on ordering a cease fire.... Seems like we should pay more for fuel over that right?

OSW is hours of occupied structural work not the actual number of working jobs.

Square rooting questions like what are the benefits of being a volunteer are a perfect illistration of why volunteerism is almost dead. It's about brotherhood and pride... Can you imagine the response to a question such as this 30 years ago at a company meeting? Boo that man