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I guess the LOSAP thing makes sense. In Michigan we don't have many agencies with retirement for on call/volunteer members so that's less of an issue here. 

My department in Michigan is kind of similar. 7 full-time total, 2 per shift with a swing to cover vacations/sick time. 20 paid on call. Recall is when all call page is transmitted. Residency requirements for full time is within 20 miles of city limits. Three live outside the city. One comes back in for about every all call fire. One does every once in a while. Last one never does. We really only have three that will come back regularly. The kicker is they're the only ones who can drive trucks. They don't come back only two trucks get out. And they're the ones preventing on calls from being able to drive.
 
It bugs me when guys join department's that do rely on call backs for stuff but never respond for them. You knew when you joined there would be call backs. No one forced you to take the job.

My department in Michigan is kind of similar. 7 full-time total, 2 per shift with a swing to cover vacations/sick time. 20 paid on call. Recall is when all call page is transmitted. Residency requirements for full time is within 20 miles of city limits. Three live outside the city. One comes back in for about every all call fire. One does every once in a while. Last one never does. We really only have three that will come back regularly. The kicker is they're the only ones who can drive trucks. They don't come back only two trucks get out. And they're the ones preventing on calls from being able to drive.
 
It bugs me when guys join department's that do rely on call backs for stuff but never respond for them. You knew when you joined there would be call backs. No one forced you to take the job.

With the limited full time staffing in most department's in Westchester and the shortage of vollies I would assume most career or combo department's rely heavily on off duty call backs. I'm just curious how well department's can get members in off duty?
 
Everyone talks about the high housing costs, can full timers afford housing in the cities where they work? Can they afford to live off just their fire job? 
 
Also, how are they alerted to call backs? Are call backs mandatory or voluntary? If mandatory how are they enforced? Are there residency requirements? Are members expected to report within a certain time frame?
 
Thanks for any info.

Yeah, I have to also ask why? I understand the full time staff were laid off but why sell the rig when there are older trucks in the fleet? If it's because it was the full timers rig than that's just petty.

Yeah, I have to also ask why? I understand the full time staff were laid off but why sell the rig when there are older trucks in the fleet? If it's because it was the full timers rig than that's just petty.

Yeah, I have to also ask why? I understand the full time staff were laid off but why sell the rig when there are older trucks in the fleet? If it's because it was the full timers rig than that's just petty.

Yeah, I have to also ask why? I understand the full time staff were laid off but why sell the rig when there are older trucks in the fleet? If it's because it was the full timers rig than that's just petty.

Yeah, I have to also ask why? I understand the full time staff were laid off but why sell the rig when there are older trucks in the fleet? If it's because it was the full timers rig than that's just petty.

I agree with the unions letter but I kind of think it could have been worded differently. Instead of saying "if the volunteers show up", maybe say "if the volunteers are able to respond." The former just makes it sound like they don't even put in the effort. In this day and age it can at times just be impossible for a volly to respond no matter how bad they want to. 

I know communities operate differently. Having said that, in my area many cities have money for capital and equipment purchases separate from money for staff. So even if cities are having staffing issues capital projects, including vehicle purchases, still take place. I do agree though that a million seems excessive for a rescue. My Dept just got a 2016 rosenbauer commander rescue pumper with new jaws for $550,000.

I know communities operate differently. Having said that, in my area many cities have money for capital and equipment purchases separate from money for staff. So even if cities are having staffing issues capital projects, including vehicle purchases, still take place. I do agree though that a million seems excessive for a rescue. My Dept just got a 2016 rosenbauer commander rescue pumper with new jaws for $550,000.

As someone who has a full time job on the nightshift  and every weekend this has always been a problem for me. My department's drills are in the evening with no immediate plans to change that. They'd just rather b**** about the guys that don't make it. Best quote I ever read was from this forum. "For a service that requires 24/7 availability it sucks you have to work Monday through Friday 9-5 to be able to attend any trainings". Even state sponsored trainings in my area follow that schedule.

As someone who has a full time job on the nightshift  and every weekend this has always been a problem for me. My department's drills are in the evening with no immediate plans to change that. They'd just rather b**** about the guys that don't make it. Best quote I ever read was from this forum. "For a service that requires 24/7 availability it sucks you have to work Monday through Friday 9-5 to be able to attend any trainings". Even state sponsored trainings in my area follow that schedule.

As someone who has a full time job on the nightshift  and every weekend this has always been a problem for me. My department's drills are in the evening with no immediate plans to change that. They'd just rather b**** about the guys that don't make it. Best quote I ever read was from this forum. "For a service that requires 24/7 availability it sucks you have to work Monday through Friday 9-5 to be able to attend any trainings". Even state sponsored trainings in my area follow that schedule.

As someone who has a full time job on the nightshift  and every weekend this has always been a problem for me. My department's drills are in the evening with no immediate plans to change that. They'd just rather b**** about the guys that don't make it. Best quote I ever read was from this forum. "For a service that requires 24/7 availability it sucks you have to work Monday through Friday 9-5 to be able to attend any trainings". Even state sponsored trainings in my area follow that schedule.

As someone who has a full time job on the nightshift  and every weekend this has always been a problem for me. My department's drills are in the evening with no immediate plans to change that. They'd just rather b**** about the guys that don't make it. Best quote I ever read was from this forum. "For a service that requires 24/7 availability it sucks you have to work Monday through Friday 9-5 to be able to attend any trainings". Even state sponsored trainings in my area follow that schedule.

In the tangled web of mutual aid in this county, it sticks out that Bedford wasn't called in any capacity, especially when other departments had to travel through Bedford to get to the call. I'm also curious to know why Bedford doesn't have a tanker? There's nothing constructive about not talking about it and sweeping it under the rug.

I agree with the unions letter but I kind of think it could have been worded differently. Instead of saying "if the volunteers show up", maybe say "if the volunteers are able to respond." The former just makes it sound like they don't even put in the effort. In this day and age it can at times just be impossible for a volly to respond no matter how bad they want to. 

I agree with the unions letter but I kind of think it could have been worded differently. Instead of saying "if the volunteers show up", maybe say "if the volunteers are able to respond." The former just makes it sound like they don't even put in the effort. In this day and age it can at times just be impossible for a volly to respond no matter how bad they want to. 

I believe Philadelphia runs two assigned as truck companies. Baltimore used to have one assigned as frontline truck company but it is now a special call piece. I think it's designated truck 51 and is special called as a water tower for large defensive fires. 
 
My department in michigan used to have a 1980 spartan/pierce 85 ft. We replaced it in 2010 with a smeal 100 ft tower. I learned you could do some neat things but it had more disadvantages in our environment. I learned it's not the ideal truck for a single truck company department.

I believe Philadelphia runs two assigned as truck companies. Baltimore used to have one assigned as frontline truck company but it is now a special call piece. I think it's designated truck 51 and is special called as a water tower for large defensive fires. 
 
My department in michigan used to have a 1980 spartan/pierce 85 ft. We replaced it in 2010 with a smeal 100 ft tower. I learned you could do some neat things but it had more disadvantages in our environment. I learned it's not the ideal truck for a single truck company department.

I believe Philadelphia runs two assigned as truck companies. Baltimore used to have one assigned as frontline truck company but it is now a special call piece. I think it's designated truck 51 and is special called as a water tower for large defensive fires. 
 
My department in michigan used to have a 1980 spartan/pierce 85 ft. We replaced it in 2010 with a smeal 100 ft tower. I learned you could do some neat things but it had more disadvantages in our environment. I learned it's not the ideal truck for a single truck company department.

I believe Philadelphia runs two assigned as truck companies. Baltimore used to have one assigned as frontline truck company but it is now a special call piece. I think it's designated truck 51 and is special called as a water tower for large defensive fires. 
 
My department in michigan used to have a 1980 spartan/pierce 85 ft. We replaced it in 2010 with a smeal 100 ft tower. I learned you could do some neat things but it had more disadvantages in our environment. I learned it's not the ideal truck for a single truck company department.

Howell's new (Rescue) Engine 111. Beautiful Rig!