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Even if it was never used it is still almost 10 years old....

Who are you talking to?

Bnechis I understand what your saying. But lets say your a dispatcher at 60 Control. You get a phone call reporting a fire. You dispatch the appropriate FD (Lets call them Dept X) after lets say 5 minutes you dont hear anything from anyone in Dept. X what do you do? Do you keep re-toning Dept X or do you dispatch the next closest (Dept Y)? I was just curious if there was a written policy, who made it, and what does it say.

Very true!!

Very well said. I can guarantee you if there is an accident or fatality and your not meeting 2in-2out the investiagtion will not end well for you.

Can you elaborate?

Sounds suspicious...

OFPC has no enforcement authority in New York State. The only way I think this could be achieved is through New York State passing a labor law say 800.8 for example that details minimum training in the fire service similar to what we have for the bailout systems and workplace violence laws. Enforcement would be done by PESH (who inspects fire departments in NYS already). The only way for this to happen would be for the fire service to as a whole fight for it. But unfortunately I see a major association in NYS who would fight hard against this.

OSHA requires that supervisors have more advanced training than the general membership under the fire brigade standard. It does not specify what that training should be though. It is the responsibility of the employer to provide that training, and so as long at it is more than what you require from a firefighter you are meeting the requirements. Similar to the other topic OFPC has their "best practices" guide out there. In the eyes of OSHA/PESH in-house training is acceptable as long as the instructor has some credentials and the curriculum is appropriate.

CBS New York is reporting that the Rockland County District Attorney's office has cell phone video of the moments before impact from the boat.

Excerpt from the Nyack-Piermont Patch article today... full article can be found at http://nyack.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/grieving-families-none-of-them-saw-the-barge-parents-ask-for-publics-help

I really liked the Rodney King quote!!

But don't they get dispatched by the PD also?

The Somers Board of Fire Commissioners is currently exploring other options when it comes to dispatching.

Funny that you dont see any EMS logos on the side....

No pension and you MIGHT get 29k a year... hhmm?

RIP Trooper Martindale!!

I think it has become more of an issue of the quality of the people that we are giving drivers licenses to. I would love to see some sort of re-certification when you reach a certain age.

They have been using these on 684 for awhile now

I have never heard of this but I am now very curious. So lets say my department called our county Coordinator and said "hey we want to have a Firefighter 2 class for our members" they would arrange and pay for a state instructor to come and teach it exclusively for us? Or am I missing something?

I guess it would depend on your list number and the amount of openings they are expecting to fill. I doubt that everyone on the list will be called back for the second interview.

While for the most part true. The fire district has the ultimate power to train its employees not OFPC. OSHA 1910.156©(3) States: The quality of the training and education program for fire brigade members shall be similar to those conducted by such fire training schools as the Maryland Fire and Rescue Institute; Iowa Fire Service Extension; West Virginia Fire Service Extension; Georgia Fire Academy, New York State Department, Fire Prevention and Control; Louisiana State University Firemen Training Program, or Washington State's Fire Service Training Commission for Vocational Education. (For example, for the oil refinery industry, with its unique hazards, the training and education program for those fire brigade members shall be similar to those conducted by Texas A & M University, Lamar University, Reno Fire School, or the Delaware State Fire School.) Notabally in that standard it states that curriculum similar to OFPC curriculum is recognized as being sufficient to meet OSHA standards. Therefore as far as PESH/OSHA is concerned if you do an "in-house" FF1 class and it follows OFPC curriculum and is conducted by a competent instructor and you have the paperwork to prove it then it meets that requirement. But then all of the issues that were previously discussed come into play.

In theory you could do that. You would want to show that the instructor(s) were competent and followed curriculum that met the standards. The easiest way would be to follow the OFPC curriculum. The member could be issued an in-house FF1 certificate but that carries no weight outside of that district. You will run into problems if your taking county or state classes due to the pre-requisites or even going mutual aide. It really is just not an efficient way to do it.

Not to get even further off topic but George Zimmerman even after all of this went out of his way to aid a family of four in an MVA last week... Not saying he is a hero but he sure seems like a stand-up guy. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/22/george-zimmerman-rescued-man-from-truck-crash-last-week-police-say/ I have heard of police dispatchers having motorists following drunk drivers etc before so its not a rare occurence. I don't think a dispatcher has the legal authority to direct you to do something. The dispatcher even said "Sir you don't have to do that" not Sir Don't do that, yes legally there is a difference in the wording. Kind of like may and shall.

The artcile states that 40 people pushed a 32-ton train to free her... Seems kind of hard even with the suspension system that shifts. Hontestly in the NYC subway I don't see 40 ranodm people coming to help someone like that but then again that just might be my grim view of humanity.