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What was the nature of the injuries? 11 seems like an awful lot.

What was the nature of the injuries? 11 seems like an awful lot.

Well, if it's been out of service for "a long time," then yes, it could be considered "long term."

Are you kidding me? That type of incident yesterday in Ossining is exactly what the Field Com is for! With all the DES personnel that responded, not one person could drive it to the scene? So, Westchester County has a vehicle for major incidents, that's designed for multi-agency coordination and command, and it just sat in a garage yesterday? No way, it had to be out for maintenance or something.

Nope.
It almost seems like it would take an act of Christ himself to have that rolling asset respond to anything other then drills. Shameful.

Nope.
It almost seems like it would take an act of Christ himself to have that rolling asset respond to anything other then drills. Shameful.

Nope.
It almost seems like it would take an act of Christ himself to have that rolling asset respond to anything other then drills. Shameful.

Nope.
It almost seems like it would take an act of Christ himself to have that rolling asset respond to anything other then drills. Shameful.

Date: 12/19/15
Time: 19:05
Location: Interstate 95 at Mamaroneck Road Exit 18
District: Mamaroneck
Units: See Below
VMFD: 2241, E41, E42, U9
MEMS: 6812, 68A2
LEMS: 4911, 66A1, 66B1
HEMS: 61A5
WCDES: EMS 10

Description: 3-Car Accident with a total of 14 patients transported.

Pocantico Hills T12 does a decent amount of Mutual Aid. Their Engine often goes to Sleepy Hollow.
Archville is so close to Briarcliff's west side, there's really no advantage of moving them up to E92's house, in my opinion.
Ossining's 10-75 plan calls for Sleepy's TL38 to relocate. It's currently OOS (for a long time, I am told).
If TL38 is OOS, the next on the list is Croton TL44. With Croton down an Engine (E119) - it's a tough call pulling both their FAST (using U14) and TL44 out of town. Next on the list would be Briarcliff TL40 - which if R37 is already there it might be tough to staff. Next on the list is Pleasantville. When that Main Street fire came in, there was a large brush fire in Ossining that Briarcliff was working at (since it was actually in both districts). Briarcliff had Pleasantville Engine in their HQ, so the next available Truck in the area was Montrose.
Sometimes, it is better to leap frog and pull a unit to relocate from 2 towns away then the one next door. IE if Ossining has a job and calls Montrose TL8 to relocate instead of Croton, it could be argued that Croton runs a lot more calls and has a higher probability of needing their TL then Montrose would.

This whole thread makes me want to chop up Excedrin and snort it...
The issue is a commissioner candidate who is looking at it from a financial standpoint and not a service one.
The issue isn't 60 Control. The issue is cost savings which ultimately would mean a drop in manpower.
Dispatch might be the only place a brother on light duty can go until they're fit for full duty.
Could 60 handle Hartsdale, yup - 100%. One day that time will come but if it does, it should be at the decision of the HFD Chief and Officers and not the commissioners. The men doing the job are the ones that should decide on what's best for that job.

Pocantico Hills T12 does a decent amount of Mutual Aid. Their Engine often goes to Sleepy Hollow.
Archville is so close to Briarcliff's west side, there's really no advantage of moving them up to E92's house, in my opinion.
Ossining's 10-75 plan calls for Sleepy's TL38 to relocate. It's currently OOS (for a long time, I am told).
If TL38 is OOS, the next on the list is Croton TL44. With Croton down an Engine (E119) - it's a tough call pulling both their FAST (using U14) and TL44 out of town. Next on the list would be Briarcliff TL40 - which if R37 is already there it might be tough to staff. Next on the list is Pleasantville. When that Main Street fire came in, there was a large brush fire in Ossining that Briarcliff was working at (since it was actually in both districts). Briarcliff had Pleasantville Engine in their HQ, so the next available Truck in the area was Montrose.
Sometimes, it is better to leap frog and pull a unit to relocate from 2 towns away then the one next door. IE if Ossining has a job and calls Montrose TL8 to relocate instead of Croton, it could be argued that Croton runs a lot more calls and has a higher probability of needing their TL then Montrose would.

This whole thread makes me want to chop up Excedrin and snort it...
The issue is a commissioner candidate who is looking at it from a financial standpoint and not a service one.
The issue isn't 60 Control. The issue is cost savings which ultimately would mean a drop in manpower.
Dispatch might be the only place a brother on light duty can go until they're fit for full duty.
Could 60 handle Hartsdale, yup - 100%. One day that time will come but if it does, it should be at the decision of the HFD Chief and Officers and not the commissioners. The men doing the job are the ones that should decide on what's best for that job.

Pocantico Hills T12 does a decent amount of Mutual Aid. Their Engine often goes to Sleepy Hollow.
Archville is so close to Briarcliff's west side, there's really no advantage of moving them up to E92's house, in my opinion.
Ossining's 10-75 plan calls for Sleepy's TL38 to relocate. It's currently OOS (for a long time, I am told).
If TL38 is OOS, the next on the list is Croton TL44. With Croton down an Engine (E119) - it's a tough call pulling both their FAST (using U14) and TL44 out of town. Next on the list would be Briarcliff TL40 - which if R37 is already there it might be tough to staff. Next on the list is Pleasantville. When that Main Street fire came in, there was a large brush fire in Ossining that Briarcliff was working at (since it was actually in both districts). Briarcliff had Pleasantville Engine in their HQ, so the next available Truck in the area was Montrose.
Sometimes, it is better to leap frog and pull a unit to relocate from 2 towns away then the one next door. IE if Ossining has a job and calls Montrose TL8 to relocate instead of Croton, it could be argued that Croton runs a lot more calls and has a higher probability of needing their TL then Montrose would.

This whole thread makes me want to chop up Excedrin and snort it...
The issue is a commissioner candidate who is looking at it from a financial standpoint and not a service one.
The issue isn't 60 Control. The issue is cost savings which ultimately would mean a drop in manpower.
Dispatch might be the only place a brother on light duty can go until they're fit for full duty.
Could 60 handle Hartsdale, yup - 100%. One day that time will come but if it does, it should be at the decision of the HFD Chief and Officers and not the commissioners. The men doing the job are the ones that should decide on what's best for that job.

Pocantico Hills T12 does a decent amount of Mutual Aid. Their Engine often goes to Sleepy Hollow.
Archville is so close to Briarcliff's west side, there's really no advantage of moving them up to E92's house, in my opinion.
Ossining's 10-75 plan calls for Sleepy's TL38 to relocate. It's currently OOS (for a long time, I am told).
If TL38 is OOS, the next on the list is Croton TL44. With Croton down an Engine (E119) - it's a tough call pulling both their FAST (using U14) and TL44 out of town. Next on the list would be Briarcliff TL40 - which if R37 is already there it might be tough to staff. Next on the list is Pleasantville. When that Main Street fire came in, there was a large brush fire in Ossining that Briarcliff was working at (since it was actually in both districts). Briarcliff had Pleasantville Engine in their HQ, so the next available Truck in the area was Montrose.
Sometimes, it is better to leap frog and pull a unit to relocate from 2 towns away then the one next door. IE if Ossining has a job and calls Montrose TL8 to relocate instead of Croton, it could be argued that Croton runs a lot more calls and has a higher probability of needing their TL then Montrose would.

1) The land owned by the Bedford Fire District is actually located on the corner of Old Post Road and Southbrook Rd, directly across from Greenwich Road. Not at Route 172 and Route 22.
2) Bedford is in committee to replace Engine 110, a 1987 Seagrave Engine. The members of the department and district feel that replacing the engine is what they need to better serve the community.
3) As a Chief of a neighboring department that has an excellent social and working relationship with the Bedford Fire Department I can say that the departments in our area (especially the 13th and 16th Battalions) train multiple times a year and we run through as many "Water Supply" and structural firefighting scenarios as we can plus we all run together on a regular basis.
We all know the resources the BFD has to offer. Engine 109 is the scene engine, going directly to the seat of the fire. while Engine 108 lays to or from a water source, while the mutual aid tankers nurse or set up for shuttle operations. The Chief Officers of BFD have done a great job for pre planning all of their box alarms for Greater Alarms. On any reported Structure Fire in their district, they get at a minimum of a mutual aid Ladder Company and Tanker, and as the incident envolves so do the resources called in their predetermined Greater Alarm polices.
4) In this time with all of the talks of how Fire Departments should be consolidating, sharing resources is the most economical and fairest option for the taxpayers of the Bedford Fire District and the Town of Bedford.
5) Lastly, in regards to the Pound Ridge Incident, The Chief called the resources he felt were necessary for THAT incident, and in no way was he trying to "shaft" BFD out of the mutual aid assignment.
Thanks for reading and have a great Thanksgiving!
J.Nickson
Asst. Chief BHFD

1. Where the fire was, appeared to be closer to Vista and Connecticut.
2. Tankers were needed, which Bedford lacks.
3. The IC called a Truck from Bedford Hills, Bedford doesn;t have one.
4. Anyone with a scanner knows Bedford struggles to cover what seems like the majority of their calls. Why take the gamble?
5. Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the Chief or Bedford to contact the Chief of Pound Ridge?

1. Where the fire was, appeared to be closer to Vista and Connecticut.
2. Tankers were needed, which Bedford lacks.
3. The IC called a Truck from Bedford Hills, Bedford doesn;t have one.
4. Anyone with a scanner knows Bedford struggles to cover what seems like the majority of their calls. Why take the gamble?
5. Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the Chief or Bedford to contact the Chief of Pound Ridge?

1. Where the fire was, appeared to be closer to Vista and Connecticut.
2. Tankers were needed, which Bedford lacks.
3. The IC called a Truck from Bedford Hills, Bedford doesn;t have one.
4. Anyone with a scanner knows Bedford struggles to cover what seems like the majority of their calls. Why take the gamble?
5. Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the Chief or Bedford to contact the Chief of Pound Ridge?

1. Where the fire was, appeared to be closer to Vista and Connecticut.
2. Tankers were needed, which Bedford lacks.
3. The IC called a Truck from Bedford Hills, Bedford doesn;t have one.
4. Anyone with a scanner knows Bedford struggles to cover what seems like the majority of their calls. Why take the gamble?
5. Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the Chief or Bedford to contact the Chief of Pound Ridge?

1. Where the fire was, appeared to be closer to Vista and Connecticut.
2. Tankers were needed, which Bedford lacks.
3. The IC called a Truck from Bedford Hills, Bedford doesn;t have one.
4. Anyone with a scanner knows Bedford struggles to cover what seems like the majority of their calls. Why take the gamble?
5. Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the Chief or Bedford to contact the Chief of Pound Ridge?

1. Where the fire was, appeared to be closer to Vista and Connecticut.
2. Tankers were needed, which Bedford lacks.
3. The IC called a Truck from Bedford Hills, Bedford doesn;t have one.
4. Anyone with a scanner knows Bedford struggles to cover what seems like the majority of their calls. Why take the gamble?
5. Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the Chief or Bedford to contact the Chief of Pound Ridge?

1. Where the fire was, appeared to be closer to Vista and Connecticut.
2. Tankers were needed, which Bedford lacks.
3. The IC called a Truck from Bedford Hills, Bedford doesn;t have one.
4. Anyone with a scanner knows Bedford struggles to cover what seems like the majority of their calls. Why take the gamble?
5. Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the Chief or Bedford to contact the Chief of Pound Ridge?

While this may have its applications; circumstances dictate procedures. If you have limited manpower on scene or a fully involved basement with limited access this tactic may be a good move. BUT, at the same time, you are writing off any viable victims. These new procedures were written because scientists working in a laboratory think you can no longer push fire (my experience tells me otherwise) with a handline and it's ok to knock a fire from an exterior window to take some energy out of the equation. Does it work, in some circumstances yes, but if you cannot access the seat of the fire, you're severely delaying water and now you'd better have another team ready to advance a handline inside after you transition to an interior attack. And not the one that's stretched and charged in the backyard, from the outside. Like an earlier post said, we won't hone our skills on interior attack and search if we are fighting fires from outside. When it's time to go inside, everyone will get lost.