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You pay for everything yourself, with no guarantee of getting hired (both PD and FD). Then when you do miraculously get hired, the state is an "at will" state, with no protection from lay offs and the union basically has no bearing on anything. Its not civil service either, its a private sector job application and hiring process with a public sector title.

Date: 12/27/2012 Time: 1915 hrs District: Yorktown Heights Location: Dispatch - Rt 35 IFO Clarks Funeral Home. Actual Rt 35 and Ridge St. Units: Engine 270, MA - 8 with tool, Engine 272, Car 2531 Frequency: Dispatch 46.26, Response / ops - Fire 17 Weather Conditions: Cold, clear Description: 2 Car T-bone MVA with single driver entrapment. 1915: Yorktown Fire, YVAC. 34-Medics dispatched to Rt 35 IFO Clarks Funeral Home for an MVA with extrication 1921: Engine 270 on location with a 2 car MVA with entrapment, going to work. Actual location will be Rt 35 and Ridge St. 1955: Patent extricated 2019: All Yorktown units clear

Wrong. Yorktown was first dispatched to an MVA SB in the area of rt 134. That call went unfounded, and as E270 was turning around on Fairhills Dr, the fire came in approx 5 houses down. The Taconic was used by all incoming Yorktown apparatus to access the scene.

Yorktown's swift water team was dispatched as well and performed multiple evacuations and rescues with continental village. They were originaly dispatched for a car in the water with people in the water, which turned out to be an incorrect report. However, they were put to work to rescue an inaccessible aided case, another incapacitated victim loacated in the water was found as they were responding to the aided's location, and evacuated 4 individuals who were stuck in the mobile station.

Wasn't a law just passed that allows volunteers to take off a few hours with no penalty, but anything over that, needs to come out of their own time off bank?

I'm x-posting this from the FDNY exam thread so more people see it....

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Career training vs Volunteer training. Hundreds of hours that are mandated, or 10 hours that are mandated. With career personnel, you know that every firefighter is trained the exact same way as the guy sitting next to him, or the guy in your department. State standards mandate this. Volunteers, because of the "wonderful" work FASNY has done, have 0 requirements. All that is required is the federally mandated 10 hours of "on the job osha training," which varies from department to department. 10 hours... which is less then 1 hour a month of training, to go inside a burning building and be responsible for people's livelihood. Yes, many volunteers go way above and beyond the call and perform hundreds of individual hours. No one here is doubting whether or not volunteers hearts and minds are in the right place. It takes some serious balls to run into a burning building for free. Where in the problem lies, is that there is 0 standard as to what volunteers need. It's left up to the "authority having jurisdiction". That AHJ could mandate that all interior members need FF1, FF2, Fast, Survival, hazmat ops, confined space rescue, cat in tree rescue, aircraft rescue and vehicle rescue before they step foot on a truck to respond, or the could say, "meh, our in-house course is good enough. Here's a hand-line, this is how you open the bale, stay low, now go and put the wet stuff on the red stuff." A set list of mandated training across the board (which is what MANY other states have done) requiring that career and volunteer personnel are trained exactly the same way would be in the best interest of everyone; volunteers, career, mutual aid, and most importantly, the citizens you took an oath to protect.

Because the career departments have firefighters who are staffed in house ready to go. If I was an IC of either a career, volly or combo department, if dept x is a little closer, but need to page out for members, have them respond to the firehouse, and then finally get going, or department y that might be a little farther away, but can instantly have a staffed rig on the road, I'm going with department y. You also have the issues of training. Volley vs career. 10 hours minimum per year, versus hundreds minimum per year. I think the answer is clearly obtained why departments call who they do, when they do.

Most engines up here carry CO meters and fans. Just the name of the game

By fail to respond, do you mean getting a chief on the road, or gettin appropriately staffed apparatus responding?

I present to you "Zen and the Art of the Fire Service: http://firehousezen.com/2012/08/18/tell-me-if-this-applies-to-you/ Maybe its time everyone reads this, from the first time offenders on a water condition, to those putting other firemans lives on the line by taking 20+ minutes to get a FASTeam out because their pride is too big.

Sounds like a normal day in westchester, no suprise here.

It's never all that it's cracked up to be. ...I'll show myself to the door

Monthly drills? Drill for 12 days a year, at maybe pushing 3 hours a drill? 36 hours of drill time a year? That's freaking pathetic. I'm sure you don't have 100% attendance at all the drills either. Quit making excuses as to why training isn't required. Sack up and train more. Require it, and see your members go from looking like C league squad rookies, to a well oiled machine. Edit: Would you rather look like this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CEEQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DRhD_5T4F7aw&ei=Z4guUIGELKPuyAGEzIDIBA&usg=AFQjCNEocq5T5DqbhCmC9CdU0xt6Im0fBQ&sig2=jJbg6SCPJM7Xja_oigXe3Q or like this: http://statter911.com/2011/03/15/helmet-cam-durham-north-carolina-house-fire/ The difference is constant training, retraining, and training on top of the training. Don't get dead out there because of your attitude.

The way the county calls it's 'alert levels" is inconsistent with the way the rest of the flight world. HPN has classified 3 different types of calls, Alert level 1, Alert level II and Alert Level III (have yet to figure out what they mean)... The rest of the world has Alert 1, Alert 2, and Alert 3, with levels 1-5. So you can have an "Alert 2 level 4" incident. The levels are laid out like so: Alert 1 Airport (Possible Crash) - minor problems or equipment failures Alert 2 Airport (Probable Crash) - major problems (mechanical or electrical) or major failures of equipment / systems Alert 3 Airport (Crash/Aircraft Incident) Level 1) 1-2 Souls Level 2) 3-10 Level 3) 11-25 Level 4) 26-50 Level 5) 51+ once again it seams as if the county wants to be completely different then the rest of the world......

Bingo

One can only hope that if this does happen, every police, fire and EMS agency in the county will be operating off this system as the norm

To our Brother in Law Enforcement, be safe out there. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=255_1343678576

Sounds like my love life

one would think that the NFPA would have already recommend that face pieces be able to withstand the high heat of a structural fire. Has any research been done to figure out at what temperature most face pieces are failing at? If they're failing before flashover point, there's a serious issue.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-02/wildfire-tests-police-force-in-colorado-anti-tax-movement-s-home.html Gotta love the "cut, cut, cut" mentality, then when the crap hits the fan, turn towards the federal government to bail you out... The audacity of some of our politicians amazes me.

Once again, fantastic post. For those who were wondering what the Layman's experiment was, here an article done back in February of 2000 by fire engineering: http://www.firedistrict7.com/tpdffiles/nozleproject/FFebruary2000LITTLE.PDF

I am not saying it's right or wrong, but legally, the individual fire companies are not public entities. They are merely social organizations, much like the Elks Lodge or Lions Club. There is no oversight because legally, there does not have to be. The meetings are closed meetings, the budgets are closed budgets, and everything else about them is closed. The buildings that they own are not public property as one might think. There is no legal requirement for them to "show the books." Even if you went to FOIL them, I'm sure it would be shot down since the company is private and there is no legal requirement to disclose anything. What the village or district does with the tax money is all public information. every appropriation, receipt, and cent is (should be) accounted for and spent accordingly. Asking someone to show the funds of a social organization on a public forum is not going to happen, whether you want/like it or not.

Anyone who claims that an increase in training will cause volunteer numbers to drop has their head up their brown pipe. Just take a look at numerous other states that require that volunteers are at par with career. No drop in membership, but an increase in effectiveness... imagine that! If someone wants to quit because the requirements are too strict, good. gtfo. My life, my crews life, and the life of the public is too important to place on the back of a federally mandated 10 hours of OSHA training once a year. If you personally go out and train more, excellent. What needs to happen is the state needs to grow some cajones, manup, and force training requirements that are on par with your counterparts. Unfortunately, this state's biggest opposition is FASNY, and it will take a large army to change anything. Anyone who thinks otherwise has drank the kool-aid.