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Ray, if you have people that know how to operate things are usually smooth, they will take a crew with them to operate and the IC will be aware of who is doing what. Accountability is the biggest issue, and we are very lucky with the advent of modern accountability systems and not just having to look at who was at work or who's car is out in the street, but that is not available to everyone. If I was a volunteer chief I would personally canvas each member to find their strength and weakness', not an easy task, but one that will allow everyone to either improve or allow their limitations to be known so a guy who is deathly afraid of ladders is not felt they have to climb one when the guy who does roofing 5 days a week is searching a basement. As much as I hate this new feel good fire dept EEO garbage it is much better to know what someone can do then to expect it and have an injury or the job not completed, and of utmost importance is emphasizing the fact that a man or woman who is brave enough to announce their fears is far braver than a man or woman who makes fun of them.

Good in theory but if you grab your tools EVERY run they will not last long at all!

For professionals its all usually done at the start of the tour. For volunteers it is usually done at the chief's discretion. I find that it is much more beneficial for everyone for people who show up to look at what is occurring and to either make suggestions or to do a quick size up before taking an assignment. Obviously getting the line in place and securing water and VES should be paramount but when you have to deal with people who might not be good at ladders or not as aggressive as others it becomes an issue. Probably the hardest thing for a volunteer commander is dealing with what you 'got' when things are to be done. Of course the same problems may occur in a career setting but generally they are not as prevalent. Seniority above all should take precedent. Doing this for 18 years has taught me a lot, but above all, doing things safely is the most important, if you see someone doing something stupid, like taking the bottom of a window instead of the top, say something, it doesn't happen often but glass will slide down that hook and cut you open, how do I know? I saw it happen! Everything in this job is the way it is cause it has happened to someone else, and unfortunately the amount of unknowns is still so numerous its scary to think about. Stay Safe!

How do you know they were avoiding them? All our old rigs had Detroits, very rarely do you have an engine issue, everything else usually goes bad.

Great fireman is also short in 42 Engine and I mean like 5 3 short.

Nothing documented other than all the rigs sitting at the rock and no one wanting to accept them.

Driving down the road sideways, catastrophic failure of suspension components, almost doing a 360, ya know, things you wont want to experience in a million dollar 66,000lb machine.

Capt ellson took the rig to the funeral cause that is the only thing that R2 R1 and R5's new rigs are good enough for. All 4 of the new Rescues have such severe handling issues that each one has scared the bejesus out of not only the LCC but the Captain of each company. As for the new rear mounts, 32 truck had theirs for less than 24 hours before a sensor failed to work and the turbo stopped providing boost, then the aerial wouldn't go up, nothing that could have probably been predicted. The biggest issues are found with having a new manufacturer and a new rig, our mechanics can't be that familiar with them so its a learning curve for them as well. The new emissions crap doesn't help either.

The only reason to wear glasses is if you need them. They say the eyes are the window to the soul, and it is true, when you are standing in line and the family drives by and sees the solemn look on your face and in your eyes they know you share in their pain. I think every Cop should be issued them so you can observe in a vehicle while doing a traffic stop so you don't need to keep your eyes trained on the driver and be forced to miss the other occupants and their actions.

Nothing worse than a guy wearing sunglasses, if it was part of the uniform it would be issued.

I didn't know Mike Purdy, everything everyone says about him was that he was all aces. But, why did he get a fire department funeral? I asked this same question when the "acting" Chief of Cold Spring PD died from a motor vehicle accident was given a full PD Honor funeral. Acts like this dilute it when guys really get killed in a gun fight (Trooper Dave Brinkerhoff) or in a basement (lt Neuner).

Yes they all do deserve a LODD Funeral. You want to talk to someone who has experienced each one of those instances you can call the following people: Joe D's dad Deputy Chief DiBernardo The following people for the deaths they sustained from the direct work they did at the WTC; Adrian, Sandra - NYPD Albanese, Vincent - FDNY Alexander, Robert – National Guard Allen, George - OSHA Arrington, Gerald - FDNY Baez, Alex - NYPD Bales, Theodore – Trade Bellan, Robert - Trade Benditt, Richard M. - FD PHILADELPHIA Berger, Philip - FDNY Biondi, John - EMT Bolusi, Frank - NYPD Borcherding, Robert - FDNY Borg, Jerry - Civilian Borgese, Andrew - FDNY Borja, Caesar - NYPD Brand, Dave - Trade Brinkworth, Russell - FDNY Brophy, Thomas - NYPD Brown, Carene - FDNY Brown, Harry - Driver Bulger, Ed - Trade Burhman, Robert –Trade Burke, Richard - FDNY Byrnes, Kevin - FDNY Capo, Patrice - Volunteer Capobianco, Carl - FDNY Carlo, Madeline - NYPD Cassidy, Kevin - FDNY Celentani, Gary - FDNY Chelsen, Roy - FDNY Clark, Charles - NYPD Cleary, Haydee - Volunteer Clyde, John - Trade Cole, Charles –NCPD/ESU Colleluori, Joseph - FDNY Conroy, Daniel – NYPD Cordaro, Vincent - Trade Cortazzo, John - PAPD Costello, Joseph - FDNY Czartoryski, Kevin - NYPD Daley, Joan - FDNY DeBiase, Mark - Trade Delano Sr, Kevin - FDNY Devilla, Rene - Trade Diaz, Cory - NYPD Didomenico, Rudy - EMS Dillon, Robert - FDNY Doyle, James - Transit Driscoll, Tom - FDNY Dudziec, James - NYPD Duffy, John – Transit Dunbar, Renee - NYPD Dunn-Jones, Felicia - Civilian Ehmer, Robert - NYPD Ellicot, Brain - FDNY Faraone, Heather – Volunteer Farcia , John - FDNY Ferraro, Edward - NYPD Farrenkopf, Peter - FDNY Feser, Donald - NYPD Fisher, Elmis - NYPD Ford, Robert - FDNY Foss, Bruce - FDNY Franklin, William – FDNY Galfano, Barry – NYPD/ESU Garcia, John - FDNY Ghussin, Fred - NYPD Gilpin, Edward - NYPD Godbee, James - NYPD Goggin, John - NYPD Graves, Harry - Vol Firefighter Grossman, Robert - NYPD Gyuris, Louis - Trade Hanrahan, Claire - NYPD Harris, Bill - Firefighter Hauber, Ray - FDNY Hawe, Jerry - FDNY Hawkins, Kevin -NYPD Hayes, Philip - FDNY Helmke, Robert - NYPD Hendrickson, Erik - Firefighter Hernandez, Felix - FDNY/EMT Hess, Robert - FDNY Hodges, Thomas - FDNY Holfester, William - NYPD Hurly, Martin - FDNY Iacono, Giovanni - NYPD Incarbone, Anthony - FDNY Jakopii, Jure - NYPD Jakubowsky, Richard - NYPD Johannemann, Kevin - Civilian Johnson, Leroy - DOT Johnson, Stephen - FDNY Johnson, Vanclive - FDNY Johnston, Louise - NYPD Jones, James - Volunteer Kaplan, Michael -Trade Kavakos, Gary - FDNY Kaye, James - FDNY Keller, Tim - FDNY/EMT Kelly, Ronald – NYPD Kendrick, Michael - Trade Knecht, David - Trade Landolfi, Joseph - Sanitation Larosa, Mike - FDNY Lee, Kevin - NYPD Levy, Gavriel - DOT Lockwood, Timothy - FDNY Lopez, Alex - FDNY Macari, Frank - NYPD Macchio, Andrew - Sanitation Mahoney, Sister Mary - Civilian Mahmoud, David - NYPD Malloy, Brian - FDNY Mannetta, Richard - FDNY Martin, Tom - NYPD Marx, Larry - Trade Mauro, Vito - NYPD Mausberg, Gary - NYPD Marzocchi, William - Trade McAllan, Richard - EMS McCaffery, Thomas -Trade McCarthy, Jackie - NYPD McCarthy, Jessy, Trade McCarthy, Sean - FDNY McCauley, Brian- NYS Fire Patrol McCormick, Ryan -EMS McLoughin, Kevin – FDNY McMurry, Christopher - NYPD McNamara, John - FDNY Milosevich, Chad - Trade Mitchell, Darren, - Trade Mohamed, Brian – NYPD Morales, Michael - NYPD Moreau, William - FDNY Mosiello, Steven – FDNY Murray, John - FDNY Natal, Reinaldo - FDNY Navarra, Vic - FDNY Nicosia, Robert - NYPD Nuccio, Anthony - FDNY O’Connor, William - FDNY O’Neill, John – FDNY Ortiz, Edwin - NYPD Oswain, Robert - NYPD Ott, Patrice - NYPD Otten, Dick - FDNY Pallas, Paul - PAPD Paultre, Jacques - FDNY Pearson, Brendon - EMS Pennington, Glenford - NYPD Peluso, Angelo - NYPD Phillips, Samuel - Trade Picurro, Joe - Ironworker Quibell, Greg - NYS Corrections Quick, Billy - FDNY Ragucci, Ray - FDNY Rasmussen, Edward - Trade Reeve, Deborah - FDNY/EMT Reilly Jr, Edward - FDNY Reilly, Robert - Engineer Rex, Gerald - NYPD Rice, Robert- NYPD Rivera, Roberto - NYPD Roberts, Thomas - FDNY Rodriguez, Paula - FDNY/EMT Rogers, Kevin - Trade Rooney, Philip - NYC DOT Roberto, Charles - Trade Rosario, Freddie – FDNY/EMT Ryan, James - FDNY Ryan, Michael - NYPD Sanders, Etta - Media Sanders, John - Trade Santimarian, Anthony - Trade Seabrook, Joseph – NYPD Sealey, Clyde - FDNY Schor, Robert - NYC Corrections Shagi, Michael - FDNY Simmons, John - Trade Simmons, Martin - FDNY Smith, Bobby - Trade Smith, Harold - NYPD Smith, Stephen - NYPD Snadecky, Mark - Bridge & Tunnels Sofia, Michael - FDNY Sollazo, Michael - Trade Stadelmann, John - NYPD Stuck, Fredrick - Sheriff Stewart, Daniel - FDNY Sullivan Jr, John - FDNY St. George, William - FDNY Tancredi II, Jimmy - FDNY Teague, David - Trade Thomas, Jevon - Trade Thompson, Edward - NYPD Tietjen, Edward - FDNY Tropea, William - FDNY Vatter, Paul - EMT Vaughan, John - FDNY Viania, Bruce - PAPD Vidro, Christopher - Security Voight, Walter - FDNY Wanamaker Jr, Harry - FDNY Weiber, Robert - FDNY Weintraub, Ronald - NYPD Wiebicke, Randy - FDNY Williamson, Robert – NYPD Wilson Jr, William - FDNY Winter, Richard - NYPD Wong, George - NYPD Yorganson, Matthew - Trade Young, John - NYPD Yurek, Stephen - PAPD/EMT Zadroga, James - NYPD Zane, Robert - NYPD And if you want to go local if you don't know any of those people I can arrange for you to meet with some of the local widows. For the rest I would have to dig deeper than what I deal with on a daily basis. A guy who gets killed at home should not get the same treatment as a guy or girl who was killed at work doing their job, bottom line.

Every time someone states the facts things become an issue here of who you are. Does that legitimize what people say if it has nothing to do with something job related?

Get the 1044 which I think is the NFPA version of the old 880. Make sure you get those defender eye shields in it.

So is Ladder 12 staffed or not? I should just call Rende, but its late and his wife gets pissed when I call after the babies are asleep. How can they close the one haz mat decon part of the response matrix? Shouldn't Westchester be footing part of the bill for them from all the DHS money they get?

No cop's are not always on-duty, they have a duty to act, but that would be limited to what you 'see', and if you are an NYPD cop you are better off not seeing anything! I am not here to question the character of the victim, but to bring it up would that mean if he was the guy who always broke stones and people didn't like he wouldn't get the same respect? How do you set up two trucks with a flag across the road and not compare it to a LODD funeral? I have been to over 100 funerals, I don't know many guys posting in this thread who can say the same. I am sure it meant the world to his family, and that is great, but when someone else dies at a job and they get the same response (people from other FD's) showing up in uniform what does that mean? That a man who was murdered is equal to a man who died trying to protect his neighbors or co-workers? To think you know what the brotherhood is cause you went to a funeral is beyond me, how about you hop in the car with me Monday for Joey D's funeral, its 200 miles round trip from my house, but I will be there.

Completely undermines the men who died in the line of duty. Yes it was a great honor, but look at guys who deserved it.

Idiots drunks and children, always the three protected classes.

I am gathering from Facebook posts that one of the victims of a murder suicide this morning was a member of the Mahopac Fire Dept. Sorry for your loss, what a senseless act, not to mention cowardly! From Lohud.com http://www.lohud.com/article/20111117/NEWS04/111170407/Husband-kills-man-who-dined-his-estranged-wife-then-kills-himself-Mahopac-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

The people that do the contracts always know that who ever takes these jobs they are doing it for a reason and not just a paycheck, so they take advantage of it. If it was horrible it would include pay that compensated for it, unfortunately it isnt deemed as hard as digging trenches so they don't pay as much.

Has anyone looked in to the possibility of providing gas for members cars for volunteering? It seems like a no brainer to me as a retention tool. I would think the only hard part is managing the distribution. This program would give members gas or diesel at the price the AHJ pays for it, allowing members to have a nice savings over gas at the local pump. With prices not going any lower and the economic outlook not any better this would be a great program, kind of like that health care program that never materialized.

This is a thank you, as well as a way to retain members and not have guys who are living on the edge be concerned if they have enough money for gas or food, believe it or not many people are living like that.

The beauty of a helicopter, it can land almost anywhere!

Roads here have a serious crown to them. You start losing a load, just grab the oh $hit handle and cover your head with your other arm, pray coffee is not hot!

Well the doors were heavy wood, much stronger than aluminum lol Now it would be like an airliner. Just put the stick up see if you are leaking any fluid, if not, reattach and get it put back on right. The big deal is that someone could have been killed cause of someone refusing to ask for help.