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This ride will take place at New Roc Harley. The address is 8 industrial place New Rochelle. Look for the costco parking lot next to home depot there is a entrance to New Roc Harley there. All are welcome with or without bikes. Food, live band, all going to a good cause. Hope to see you all there.

Date:5/15/06 Time:12:07 Location: 47 ELK AVE Frequency: Units Operating: 2301 2302 E23 E21 E24 E25 L13 TL11 Description Of Incident: Detatched garage fire Writer: Lad12derff 12:07 E23 E21 E24 L13 TL11 2302 dispatched for reported shed fire. 60 control notifies 2302 of multiple calls 12:10 E23 transmits the 10-75 for a 1 1/2 story detatched garage heavy fire on the second floor. E25 put on the box. 12:15 Car 2302 reports 1 L/S/O for a fire on the second floor all hands operating at this time. 12:25 main body of fire knocked down extensive overhaul to be conducted with slate roof over cedar shakes. 14:29 last units on scene E23 L13 10-8

ZeerR Who said anything about a job action? Did I miss something here? It is against the law to have a job action. Telling guys not to come in on ot for a MA fire is not a job action. Is your job telling you "you a here by ordered to report for duty"? I don't think so. Can you come in for ot we have a MA call now is more like it. There is only one job in this county who is doing it all right. YFD!!!! 3 men 1 officer on every engine,truck and heavy rescue. All other depts are understaffed. You want MA into your city/town then we should be sending a minimum of 3 engine companies and 2 ladder companies with 3 men and 1 officer under the direction of a battalion chief from westchester county to your city/town. If we catch another job on MA we are covered. Now factor in paying each community for said services and we don't have a problem. You will either pay MA or pay for your own coverage. If we all had the proper manning levels we would not have to bring every piece of equiptment we own to the job. We could handle a 1 or 2 room job with 3 and 2 leaving other companies in the cities to still respond to other calls.

This is not as easy as all of you think. get the roof is right, try telling Doc in New Rochelle we are not responding or the Deputy Chief on duty. Do you think we, the men, have a choice. We leave our city understaffed and unprotected to help for a room and contents fire. Do you really think we from New Rochelle get our rocks off by going to the Vern at 2:45 am to stay at station 3 for 3 hours and leave our city unprotected. We are also not responding to the vern to protect the brothers from there. Do you really think we are doing any good responding 20 minutes after the first line is stretched. Who do you think is in more danger, the brothers from Mount Vernon responding to a job with a pathetic 16 men or the mutual aid companies catching a second job and responding with six from New Rochelle and 2 from Pelham. This situation needs to be addressed first by all the union heads of the surrounding locals. We need to get a game plan together. Then we must get our bosses on board with our issues and concerns. We must act in a professional and unified way. We cannot run around blowing sirens in front of Ernies house and lowering ourselves. I know the Brothers from New Rochelle will always support our Brothers from Mount Vernon in any way possible to better their current manning issues.

We need to get rid of mutual aid period. When you call another city/town to cover yours, you need to be charged for the time and resources. If other cities/towns are willing to provide their own citizens with the right manning and equiptment then why should they be paying for others that choose not to. The unions need to get together with the bean counters in a formal summit with the press involved and hash this out. It is not anybody elses fault other than the abusers and the ones who cover and don't stand up like pagano did. We give you 4 and 4 so that's what we want in return. We will not stand by in qtrs if you are not sending us to the job and not calling back off duty members. And for the record I am not on YFD I am with NRFD.

[Grant, we switched to the 24 hour tour and continued with the 4 squad rotation 1 day on 3 days off. The 1 day on 2 days of is crazy. The point that I was making about the numbers is about staffing numbers not tours worked per week. If you now work with 500 men per tour those numbers should not change be it 10/14 shift or 24 shift. The amount of tours could change if you allow it but what would the job gain? nothing but added work load. You need to switch straight up and keep 4 groups and the same amount of hours worked. Sorry for the confussion brother. I screwed up with the origanal numbers by adding them.

Grant209 I feel it would be safe to say about 60 to 70 percent of fire depts in the states work a 24 hour shift. I was fortunate enough to work the 10 hour day/ 14 hour night tour shift for 8 years with my fire dept before switching to a 24 hour tour. I think this is a great shift to work for alot of reasons. Less comuting, never working an entire weekend again, less time away from your family in a row( 3 night tours + working our side jobs in the day) . The problems that do arise are working holidays if you start your tours "up" which is a day start. More time with your wife and kids for some guys . My company does 1200 + runs a year now so that was never an issue. I do not understand though how this would free up 1 platoon. If you have 1000 guys working 2 shifts now (500 for day tours and 500 for night tours) than the numbers will stay the same. You will still need 1000 guys to cover your tour. And by the way FDNY does not work 24 hour tours by contract, they have "mutual partners" to work that 24 hour tour. The members that I know are against 24 hour tours by contract they are very happy with the way they do things now. Hope this was helpful and stay safe Brother. +