Dinosaur

Bragging about multiple failures doesn't advance the cause of the fire service. As people have pointed out the weaknesses in the video, the same can be done from your statement. 1. Responding with inadequate personnel (NFPA 1720, OSHA, and probably SOP) 2. No IC, no safety officer, no 2 out and no 2 in. 3. Acceptance of these willful violations because of a positive outcome. 4. Failure to address the inadequate personnel response. 5. What about searches (primary and secondary)? The video is a failure on many levels and I'm shocked that the department allowed it to be posted. And I'm sure by now they know it's here too. Let's not promote our failures. Let's try to improve and raise the bar so stories like these become a thing of the past.

Exercises like this aren't usually tactically oriented anyway. They're policy and strategic so a fire chief would have little to contribute beyond what they will do with anticipated calls and how they will support mutual aid requests or requirements. The municipality has to wrestle with bigger issues over a longer period of time and the Stamford Fire Chief was probably to address those issues. I sat in my share of these and was usually bored out of my mind. Despite our usual home rule shenanigans, this isn't about fiefdoms.

What VAC's have been brought back after being shut down? I'd be more upset that my loved one may not get an ambulance because of hurt feelings when a professional agency is ready and able to do it. Chester VAC was billing too, this isn't about the billing.

I must respectfully disagree. The SWAT guys you are talking about are knowledgeable about tactics for sure but they're neither school administrators or emergency planners. There's a time and a place to evacuate and a time and a place to shelter. Neither is 100% right or 100% wrong. Sheltering in place isn't just "easy". Very often it is the best plan. Are there times that evacuation would work? Sure but you have to weigh the totality of the circumstances not simply go with your gut or emotion. Schools don't make our kids unsafe. They do the best they can with what they've got. How many schools still don't have SRO's?

Maybe they have better mental health programs and less reality TV shows?

Happily you're not a school administrator. You can't accept "looking for kids in the bushes" after an incident as accountability for children. The law is clear about the school district being responsible for them during school hours. There may be scenarios where evacuation is the answer but that is not going to simply replace sheltering in place. If this device adds a barrier between the shooter and potential victims it's a pretty good investment.

Happened in Harlem years ago. Leveled a 4 story brownstone. But it killed the guy doing it too.

In 1975 wasn't that one of the tallest buildings in the county?

And, from what I'm reading, this bypassed people currently on the civil service list for the position of FF? How's that kosher? How do you have two different pay scales and benefit packages for people in the same civil service title and same hire date?

Help a brother out here. Did they "hire" volunteers or "hire" paid/career firefighters?

How is this a "volunteer only" question?

Was it explained to you too that you can only have ONE blue, visible from 360 degrees affixed to your vehicle? Not a blue bar, grill lights, deck lights, wig-wags, etc. etc. etc. etc. Or that it doesn't give you any special privileges or authority under the law? LOL Volunteer fire associations in NYS also fight against training standards, response time standards, and staffing requirements. Nice to see they're staying with the good causes.

There used to be federal standards that said RED/BLUE was law enforcement and RED/CLEAR was all other emergency vehicles. They (the feds) never accounted for volunteer "courtesy lights" so NYS and many others used the lights differently. I don't remember if it was DOT or some other agency or if it was law, regulation, recommendation or just an idea but some agencies have been using red and blue for decades. Another "tale" that I used to hear is that since CT uses blue for PD, some departments that border or are near CT use red and blue so people from CT know they're the police.

What makes a prisoner transport an emergency? Yesterday on the Taconic two NYC Department of Correction vehicles screamed past me with their lights flashing and siren blaring apparently going up to one of the state prisons somewhere. Why is this an emergency and why are they authorized to use lights and sirens to move inmates around? When my town police transport prisoners they never use lights or siren. Is there something I'm missing?

Wasn't looking to "prove" anything and you're right. This whole thing is nothing but our assumptions and discussions. Just like 90% of the other discussions on here. Just like people think seeing chief's cars parked at shopping malls hours away from their district is questionable, I think prisoner transports as emergency operations are foolish. That's just my opinion. No biggie.

Sadly this is probably the best answer. I doubt that there was a NYC CO "10-13" or medical emergency in Dutchess County but whatever.

Make sure you park legally. A parking ticket in Manhattan is as much (or more) as a moving violation!

Isn't it something that could have waited to dock in a couple of hours? The ship was coming in to dock, right? Let her wait and then have her

If high school students are the difference between life and death in your department, there are problems well beyond the topic at hand. Bottom line is students are students and that should be there priority. What happens if you sleep through the automatic alarm that turns out to be the serious fire? The job is the job, regardless of dispatch information.

I think the most disturbing part of the story is that he was RETURNING from a call. So the officer on scene was intoxicated? Thank god it wasn't the 4 alarm fire they responded to the next day.

It was a question not bashing. If one guy was going to be driving that around all day as an ESU piece, it would be a lot of truck. That's all. It's no different then one FF on an engine or ladder and that's downright ridiculous. Or a department buying a 10 FF engine when they're lucky to put 4 guys on it for a call on a drill night. What kind of jobs will it respond for? Again, a question, not bashing.

That's an awful lot of truck for just one guy. Are they going to put a second guy onboard?

If that were true there would be a lot more robots doing a lot more jobs than humans. The issue has never been the value of the life of a cop or firefighter. The issue has always been, and continues to be the cost!

Or more depending on the scope of the incident. Now to expand the discussion, who makes the call for additional EMS resources? Once on-scene, does EMS assume a "command role" or manage the "Medical Group" (or "Branch" if it is really a big job)? Or does the fire chief - who may or may not have any EMS background - decide what the response will be?

I wonder what the cost is for each robot and what the total cost of development was. With the exception of being able to withstand the high heat, I doubt there's much of a cost benefit compared to us lowly 20th century versions.