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anyone have a shot of the rear of the new cars? What colors have they gone with in the rear of the lightbar?

like ladder 49, dislike chicago fire...

like ladder 49, dislike chicago fire...

Wow! Lots of scene lights!

I agree...most areas dont use them at all and just leave them in the "random" flash pattern. Even when they are used properly, often there are too many other warning lights which blur out the directional light. I do think that they put a good source of amber light right at eye level for drivers, to differentiate from red warning lights which can be confused with brake lights. For this purpose, arrow sticks function well.

I agree...most areas dont use them at all and just leave them in the "random" flash pattern. Even when they are used properly, often there are too many other warning lights which blur out the directional light. I do think that they put a good source of amber light right at eye level for drivers, to differentiate from red warning lights which can be confused with brake lights. For this purpose, arrow sticks function well.

In general (or at least from what I have seen) GMC tends to be more expensive, but also tends to have more features included in the base model then the equivalent chevy would

I found this on the Ferrara website. They claim to be making a medium duty rescue on a Freightliner chassis for the FDNY. Could these be new TAC units?
http://www.ferrarafire.com/CustomerSupport/InProduction/pages/4415/4415.html

I found this on the Ferrara website. They claim to be making a medium duty rescue on a Freightliner chassis for the FDNY. Could these be new TAC units?
http://www.ferrarafire.com/CustomerSupport/InProduction/pages/4415/4415.html

I need to make some corrections here. You are slightly off track, the Wiki that most of your information was copied from is a little inconsistent. The majority of the information correct. Just gonna breakdown your explanation where the corrections are needed.
You are correct for the most part with the apparatus. However the department's two ambulances are called "Emergency Units" staffed with a paramedic and a EMT-Driver, they are not utilized as an ambulance in the traditional sense. 99% of the time Emergency 1 & 2 are utilized for paramedic intercepts and vary rarely transport patients. When an ALS call is received, New Haven ERS (Emergency Reporting System) sends out the closest engine company for BLS first responder (EMT level), one Emergency Unit (nicknamed E-Units) and contacts New Haven C-MED for an ambulance (AMR is the primary transport for New Haven (or who ever the mutual aid ambulance service if AMR is not available). Which brings me to the next point, Emergency 1 & 2 have transport capabilities so they could transport the patient to the hospital if need be. The Emergency Units also respond to every box alarm / working fire in the city. If a firefighter needs transport (on or off duty in the city) or a family member, the E-Unit will transport them as well if requested. Also the E-Units though the state's OEMS plan is available for mutual aid as a paramedic intercept if necessary.
New Haven's current fireboat is trailered and not of the classic bearthed fireboat design, it is more of a rescue style boat with firefighting capabilities and does the job needed for the department. New Haven did operate a full size fireboat for many years, the last being the Sally Lee which was bearthed originally down at Long Wharf and supplemented with manpower from Engine 5 or Engine 4 (don't remember the history to well). With New Haven's tank farm and deep water port, it would be nice to see a full size fireboat in the city again, the Sally Lee went out of service in the late 1980s or early 1990s.
The Hazmat unit is operated by Squad 1 and is stationed out of the Whitney Avenue station. The current Hazmat 1 is a ALF / Sterling walk-in rescue style unit. Also stationed with hazmat one is the state foam trailer (one of several throughout the state) and a pickup truck (I think its a GMC, may be a Chevy) that is owned by NHFD to pull the trailer. The department also operates a state issued prime mover and decontamination trailer, which is stored at the fire training center / NHFD repair shops. And also it is one of two apparatus that is not all white, the prime mover and decon-trailer are solid red (one of the Emergency units is red and white as it was purchased as a demo). The state foam trailer is also all red and a few staff vehicles are not white (not many) but they all don't count! The mask service unit is operated by the shop mechanics and is stored their as well.
The Hose wagon is a recent addition that the NHFD shops converted from one of the department's old Pierce Arrow pumpers. Basically they took out the water tank and re-configured the bed for LDH. I believe the pump on the rig is still operational. (New Haven shop mechanics come up with some interesting concepts throughout the years!)
Except for one, all of the engines and squads are made by Pierce however the entire fleet is not. Like I said before Hazmat 1 is an ALF / Sterling rig. Engines 4, 6, 8, 9, 10 & 11 are Pierce Quantums without the fold down steps. Engines 15 & 17 and new Squad 2 are Arrow XTs. Squad 1 and reserve Squad (the current Squad 2) are Pierce Lances. Engine 5 is the department's 75' quint is a Sutphen that was refurbished around 5 years ago (Engine 5 ran a Quantam triple combination during this period waiting for their rig, then that triple became Engine 8). Two of the spare engines of the department are Pierce Dashes that served Engine 15 & 17 (they may only use one of these rigs now, unsure) and I beleive there is still a Pierce Arrow spare engine. Engine 16 is a pierce pumper with the same body style as the rest of the engine companies on a Kenworth four-door chassis. As for the trucks, Truck 1 and its spare are both 95 (maybe 100) foot Sutphen mid-mount tower ladders. Truck 2 and 4 are new Seagrave Maurauder chassis 100 ft. TDAs, there spares are also 100 foot Seagrave TDAs. New Truck 3 is a Pierce Arrow XT 100 foot rear mount aerial ladder, Truck 3A spare is a Seagrave 100 ft. rear mount aerial ladder. The two E-Units I believe are Hortons on Freightliner chassis however I know one of the spares is on an International and one of the in service ones may be also, I have to check that out because I know one E-unit box was re-chassied a few years back due to an accident, don't quote me until I got the correct info on that one. As for the rumor of the department going towards all Arrow XT rigs, that has yet to be confirmed but seems logical with the recent purchases. The only reason Truck 3 was not a Seagrave (which was preferred and so as I was told) was because of the cost of the rig and Pierce came in lower and was able to construct the rig the way NHFD needed it to be (Truck 3's district has a few low railroad overpasses). They also have a mini-pumper that serves as the department's brush truck, designated Car 47. This unit came from the Hotchkiss Hose Company of the Derby Fire Department and is a Pierce / Chevy 750 gpm rig). The department also at one time operate an International ARFF vehicle out of Engine 16's firehouse to cover Tweed-New Haven Airport. The airport now operates all ARFF operations and receives a dual response from New Haven and East Haven (as it sits on the town line).
The Deputy Chief (Car 32) is the shift commander with two Battalion chiefs (Cars 33 & 34) and I believe they are now operating GMC Suburbans for vehicles (unsure). The Battalions are called East Battalion and West Battalion. Currently each battalion has 5 engines, two trucks and an emergency unit. Both Squad companies are stationed in West Battalion firehouses (Squad 1 at Engine 8 and Squad 2 at Engine 9) and I think its only done this way because of city's geography and for administration purposes, not operations (I need to ask why as I have heard several reasons why they are in the same battalion).
All of New Haven's apparatus were red up until WW-II. With the rolling air-aid blackouts during the war, the department painted their apparatus white so they could be seen better at night since they could not use lights. And so the tradition stuck after the war and they are one of a few departments that have white rig in the state.
The current Squads were organized around the end of the 1990s / beginning of 2000. The origins of NHFD rescue rigs started with the original Emergency Unit that was part of Engine 12 (which has long been disbanded), established in 1941. In the 1960s, two Chevy vans were purchased and became Emergency 1 & 2 staffed with EMS trained firefighters, thus if I read NHFD's history correctly the orgiinal Emergency "rescue" unit was disbanded. The tactical units came in after the disbanding of two engine companies in the 1970s to staff them and were established long after this period. Tactical Unit 1 & 2 remained into service until for a few years until they were disbanded due to concessions, the current squad concept is technically not related to the old Tactical units as they were disbanded for several years before the current squads were organized. Also, the department saw the addition of two more emergency units around the time the TAC Units were in service, only one was staffed with medics, the other three with EMTs and the engines did not run as first responders.Tactical Unit 1 became the second piece of Engine 8 shortly after if memory serves me correctly and was placed at this station mainly due to the locality of the station throughout the rest of the city and also Interstates 91 & 95. During the early 1990s, the current Pierce Lance rescue pumper was purchased for Engine 8 and served in that capacity for many years. Truck 2 in the Hill section also had extrication tools on it as its station is located near the western portion of 95 through the city. Also during the re-organizational period, the three BLS Emergency units were disbanded and the ALS E-unit remained in service. A few months later a second ALS E-Unit was re-activated due to call volume. In the near future it looks like they will be back to four E-units but staffing them is another discussion with the possibility with the disbanding of an Engine Company to staff them (another discussion for a later time).
Now the New Haven Squad concept is more than the FDNY model as in New Haven, THEY ARE THE HEAVY RESCUE COMPANIES IN NEW HAVEN, and also an engine company. New Haven had only ten engine companies at this time and there was a need for two more, as well as a heavy rescue company, ect. ect. It was decided to make Engine 8's rescue pumper a separate company thus became Squad 1 while Squad 2 was organized to be stationed at Engine 9 to fully cover the city. Like I said before Squad 1 runs Hazmat 1 and I am not sure if Squad 2 has a "second piece" it runs. Both units respond to hazmat and technical rescues throughout the city (like in the recent cliff side rescue at East Rock Park). With regards to fire responses, the squads are likely to be the second,third or fourth due engine on the assignment and when the engine they are stationed with is out on another call or out of service, the squad becomes the first due engine for that district, same with medical responses as they will cover on a second call in their district.
As for the "Red-ball boxes" (I love that term) just like you said it was just an upgraded response on the assignment. The reason they were called "red-balls" was because of the red dot on the run card.
The information located here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Haven_Fire_Department - is not fully correct. I went to college in New Haven and buffed the department for many years. I also use to work at C-MED New Haven and have been associated with several of NHFD's members and dispatchers as well as being a former member of the Box 22 canteen buff group for a couple of years.
NHFD is a very progressive department and in my opinion has some of the best firefighters in our state.

OKAY FOLKS HERE I GO!!!!
1 - We decided to temporarily close the topic for a few minutes as the FD vs. PD debate was getting outta hand. From this point forward if that debate is going to take place, this topic will be closed for good and if anyone complains about it, then I'll take action and start handing out detention slips (aka warnings). Or better yet, I'll show up at your front door and discuss it with you. Either way, the BS is gonna stop here (aka anti-cop / anti-fd / anti-any agency sentiment)
2 - Stay on topic, we saw what happened, like I said in my previous post this could have happened to anyone and I was also quoted on that.
3 - We can be adults here and discuss training and the events surrounding the incident. Just because some guys is wearing a different uniform than another does not matter.
4 - No slamming each other, self explanatory. If you need to PM each other with different points of view then fine, don't do it here.
5 - Strong points of view are okay to be discussed but civilly.
6 - Current posts will stay up, I'm not going to make any of them invisible. Anything that is out of line, will be removed.
This is final. I have one good arm right now but the other is fine enough if I got to knock heads here.
Joe

Some of these vehicles are not necessary unless there is a major disaster, they are not used to respond to everyday calls. When the apparatus sit there and are not being used, people complain about the large waste of taxpayers money. However, when a disaster occurs and the proper equipment is not available, people complain about that as well.

Some of these vehicles are not necessary unless there is a major disaster, they are not used to respond to everyday calls. When the apparatus sit there and are not being used, people complain about the large waste of taxpayers money. However, when a disaster occurs and the proper equipment is not available, people complain about that as well.

Some of these vehicles are not necessary unless there is a major disaster, they are not used to respond to everyday calls. When the apparatus sit there and are not being used, people complain about the large waste of taxpayers money. However, when a disaster occurs and the proper equipment is not available, people complain about that as well.

Wow! Tons of amazing pictures! Yonkers had quite a few rigs there...it always impresses me as to how well equipped they are!

Wow! Tons of amazing pictures! Yonkers had quite a few rigs there...it always impresses me as to how well equipped they are!

aerial assult...thats a great slogan for the ladder company!

Initial Response: (4-6 minutes from dispatch)
2 engines, 1 ladder, 1 rescue, 1 DC w/aide
1 ALS ambulance
Dispatcher may upgrade or ask DC if they should based on calls.
Initial response personnel: 14-16 FF/EMT’s (including 4-5 officers), 1 paramedic, 1 EMT
Upon Confirmation of need: (6-10 minutes from dispatch)
2 additional ALS ambulances
2nd Alarm: 3 engines, 1 ladder (both ladders have full extrication set, air bags, cribbing, etc.) that’s 12-14 additional FF/EMT’s (including 3-4 officers), 2 paramedics, 2 EMTs
1 MCI unit (contains enough supplies for 25 patients)
Chief of Dept
Support Services Chief, Training Officer, Safety Officer, OEM/EMS Coordinator.
Automatic Fire Mutual Aid:
2 Engines, 2 Ladders for citywide backfill.
Initial Recall for 4 guides, 1 DC & Aid and additional 6-10 ff’s/officers to man spare apparatus.
Additional EMS Mutual Aid:
1 Transcare Supervisor
1 EMS Zone Coordinator
2 ALS Ambulances, 3 BLS Ambulances – Transcare
2 ALS Ambulances, Empress
1 ALS Ambulance – L/M VAC
1 ALS Ambulance – MEMS
1 BLS Ambulance – EVAC
1 ALS Ambulance – SVAC
1 ALS Ambulance – WP Transcare
1 ALS Ambulance – Harrison
1 ALS Ambulance – PC/Rye/Rye Brook
1 NYC EMS TF – (2 ALS, 3 BLS, 1 Supervisor)
Other Resources:
PD (scene control)
DPW supervisor
Transportation officer (B.O.E.)

Very nice! I love the blue lights in the rear.

Ahh! Thank you. What do they use it for? Do they use the rig as a command post?

I seem to recall a picture of YFD rescue 1 from an aerial perspective. It showed the light tower and I believe there was some other sort of mast? Does anyone know what this is?