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The bucket looks great for for master stream operations... all that room and two nozzles... Yuck! I wouldn't want to be the fireman during rescue operations and having to bail out in a hurry... you have about two linear feet of platform to jump on each side of the nozzles. How often do you expect the bucket to be 90 degrees to the structure? That makes it even more challenging. It would be nice to have angled corners because you are rarely perpendicular to the structure and at least 8" of foot hold on three sides of the bucket so you have something to step on under poor conditions. I don't even see any easy acting handles to open the bucket doors.
Pierce makes great apparatus, but their bucket to me isn't very desirable.

The bucket looks great for for master stream operations... all that room and two nozzles... Yuck! I wouldn't want to be the fireman during rescue operations and having to bail out in a hurry... you have about two linear feet of platform to jump on each side of the nozzles. How often do you expect the bucket to be 90 degrees to the structure? That makes it even more challenging. It would be nice to have angled corners because you are rarely perpendicular to the structure and at least 8" of foot hold on three sides of the bucket so you have something to step on under poor conditions. I don't even see any easy acting handles to open the bucket doors.
Pierce makes great apparatus, but their bucket to me isn't very desirable.

The bucket looks great for for master stream operations... all that room and two nozzles... Yuck! I wouldn't want to be the fireman during rescue operations and having to bail out in a hurry... you have about two linear feet of platform to jump on each side of the nozzles. How often do you expect the bucket to be 90 degrees to the structure? That makes it even more challenging. It would be nice to have angled corners because you are rarely perpendicular to the structure and at least 8" of foot hold on three sides of the bucket so you have something to step on under poor conditions. I don't even see any easy acting handles to open the bucket doors.
Pierce makes great apparatus, but their bucket to me isn't very desirable.

The bucket looks great for for master stream operations... all that room and two nozzles... Yuck! I wouldn't want to be the fireman during rescue operations and having to bail out in a hurry... you have about two linear feet of platform to jump on each side of the nozzles. How often do you expect the bucket to be 90 degrees to the structure? That makes it even more challenging. It would be nice to have angled corners because you are rarely perpendicular to the structure and at least 8" of foot hold on three sides of the bucket so you have something to step on under poor conditions. I don't even see any easy acting handles to open the bucket doors.
Pierce makes great apparatus, but their bucket to me isn't very desirable.

Wow. Just wow. That was embarrassing.

I never said it was a good answer and I never said I agree with it.
Personally I think the practice is an accident and law suit waiting to happen. Furthermore, from the public's point of view, it makes a mockery of the fire service.

Sort of like the old kitchen table quote. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. They can go on TV and try to spin this any which way they please. The facts are indisputable. A gang member from Baltimore shot and killed his girlfriend ( most likely because she was going to out him on his plan ) and headed to NYC to " put wings on pigs today ". I can see the cover of the Times tomorrow. Ismaaiyl Brinsley was a good kid who was only weeks away from attending community college to get his life in order. He was active in his community ( selling crack to the community ) and a role model ( to the kids they hire to sell the crack ). His mother Ms Not his last name and father Mr not his last name ( because he a was being raised by his Aunt ) can't understand what went wrong in his life and can't believe those cops chased their son down the subway and shot him ( he would never kill himself ). Lets blame everyone in society for our problems and not look in the mirror and hold ourselves accountable. WHAT A TRAGEDY IN ALL ASPECTS OF THIS STORY. THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA, MAYOR DEBLASIO, AL SHARPTON ( I refuse to use Rev in front of his name ) JESSE JACKSON AND ALL OF THE HATE SPEWING RACIST LEADERS IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!

Date: 10/20/2013
Time: 0530 (approx)
Incident Type: 1 vehicle accident - multiple pins - triple medevac.
Location: 1184 River Road
District: New Windsor FD
Units: New Windsor FD Car 1&2 (445,446) Newburgh FD (T-1, E-1) Vails Gate FD (Cars 1,2,5 R-480) Cornwall FD (Engine for landing zone) Cornwall on Hudson FD (s/b engine) Goodwill FD (s/b company) New Windsor EMS (Multiple) New Windsor Police, Mobile Life Support Services, 2 medevacs.

Description:
1 vehicle accident, vehicle ended up on its roof. Multiple patients were pinned. Multiple tools were put into operation.
Now a fatal MVA
http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/2013/October/21/fatal_Bacon-21Oct13.htm

Sorry, had to. Hope you all find the humor in it.

It will look really good once it's ripe.

Maybe in Ossining the Police answer the call and dispatch but thats not neccessarily the same for other places. Your stating that you are in favor of the old "Check and advise" scenario. This is something that the fire service has been trying to get away from for many years.... What if you send that one un-trained police officer and it isn't a lift assist but its something more serious? Can that police officer accurately try and figure out what caused that person to fall without medical training? I 100% believe that EMS should be sent on a "lift assist."
Why do some think that providing lift assists are a waste of time? Whether you like it or not emergency services are a customer service business and we are here to help the public its part of the job.

I should re-phrase my earlier statement to I disagrees with many of the structural statements. I do agree that the photo shows there is a potential to create interesting fire fighting tactical challenges. Fire and steel are not an ideal mix especially when they are in a confinded area. Protection of the steel members are determined by three items: type of construction, occupancy classification and general height and area limitations established by the N.Y.S. Uniform Building Code. In this scenario, I would not expect to see the steel protected. I find protected structures to be found often in large public assembly and health care facilities. The photo posted by Bullseye is a good photo of the roof purlins (steel) that have suffered under fire conditions. The steel in this case is light weight and similar to that seen in pre-engineered metal warehouse buildings spanning between the main steel bents that that span the distance of the building. Johnny OV mentioned the fire in the cars interior reached 1,000 Deg. C, (1,830 Deg. F) which is hot. A candle also burns at the same temperature. For the most part, this scenario to me is no differant than any departments that have buildings with a port-cochere where people are dropped off so they are out of the weather. A car could possibly catch fire underneith it... Structural damage is highly possible. I have seen plenty of port-cocheres with dry sprinkler systems just for that situation.
In our photo, I don't think the design intent was for a car to park under the structure as much as as it is a passageway. I would bet that a car fire under the overhang would be more likely to start a fire in the interior building above through convection if not extinguished in a reasonable amount of time. I would also bet by looking at the size of the steel members, that a car could burn and self extinguish before the steel deflected enough to fail. You have three open sides where the heat build-up would not raise enough for that steel to fail. It would be an interesting test! Good post Batt2!