Alpinerunner

A lot of great discussions going on. One thing to consider when discussing front door vs. back door is that we never see the rear door in this video so it's hard to make a judgement call on that. In terms of pushing the fire from the unburned side vs. getting to it quickly, I would think that knowing that a fire doubles every minute, and thinking that how much fire are you going to "push" with water, I would go for the quick attack. However, I haven't worked enough fires to speak on that with authority... but it's something I will pay attention to more in the future. I think the PPV issue is pretty much settled. It is primarily for overcooked food, Oil burner out of adjustment, or afer overhaul has been completed and confirmed by the thermal camera. As far as using NPV vs PPV, I would think that wherever PPV should NOT be used, NPV should NOT be used either. If the danger is introducing air into a flamable environment, both are equally dangerous. You have to look at a house as a Control Volume. Flow in = flow out. Houses are not air tight. If PPV is dangerous because it's forcing air into the house, then air is going out somewhere. You can't really pressurize a house to any notable degree, but you do create air flow. Even if a house is closed up everywhere besides the fan door (the issue when PROPER ventilation hasn't happened), air goes out the cracks and eves of a house. Using the same logic, when you turn the same fan around and use negative pressure, you're sucking in air from all these cracks and eves and you're creating a fresh air flow EQUAL to the PPV setup, and therefor it's equally as dangerous. Edit: Just watched the video that efdcapt115 posted. I didn't not expect those guys to come out alive. That was amazing. I can personally and honestly say that these videos have scared the S out of me and I'm glad I found them because I had not payed much attention to this issue prior, nor do I remember it being covered in FF1/2.

I read that article, too. However, you're right that the critical element is the fire resistant stairwells of highrises. No chance of fire burning in concrete walls! To get a little bit off topic, can someone elighten me as to some factors to consider when choosing negative vs. positive ventallation. To me it seems either would work just as well as long as you control your openings. The only thing I can think of is where the smoke is in relation to the fan. You don't want to put NPV on a first floor when the smoke is on the second floor because you'll pull it through the house before going out, and you wouldn't want to put a PPV on the first floor when the smoke is on the first floor. Am I correct in those assumptions?

Found this on Vent Enter Search. I'll let their website do the talking... but I wanted to post it here because everybody should see this for educational purposes. http://www.vententersearch.com/?p=891

I find that VERY hard to believe. I believe he is saying this as a scare tactic to cause a big outcry from the public in hopes of blocking the layoffs. I'm not saying it's a bad tactic, in fact I think it's very good, I'm just saying I doubt that will ever happen.

Yes, if the recent riots weren't enough evidence that this is a bad idea, I don't know what would be.

Take away their beer, soda, fat foods, hard booze? Come on. Don't waste your time gamewell. This must be satire.

Show up during drill night. Due to the iffy office/internal communications in most volly departments, emails and phone calls don't work. You need to show up during drill and ask for an application and talk to their service board / recruiting department.

That is the most amazing yard sale ever!!! I want all of that stuff, especially the mills and lathes. Back to the topic... guns are available to the public. Maybe someone will use this to protect themselves while driving around Detroit, haha.

I don't get it. But then again I haven't finished my coffee yet. Are you saying it's a bad thing to move out of town because you can't afford to live where you work? Or that cities shouldn't have a residency requirement? The one point I can see for a residency requirement is for call backs.

Yea pretty crazy. I think the FDNY rule is you can be one (maybe 2) boroughs outside the city, but not CT. So you can live over 2 hours away in Montauk, but not 45 mins away in CT.

Yes, it starts out with the Feds paying almost 100% of the grant, and the mulicipality gradually takes over over 5 or so year I think.

I would think that dispatch would know to send the appropriate initial responses for a structure fire. It was called in as a struct fire. If this was an alarm activation and the member got on scene first and realized it was actually a structure fire, then yes, fill out the box, call for more M/A, etc. The fact that this is a small DETACHED garage makes a big difference. If it were attached to a house, yes, send everybody.

Sorry, apparently I wasn't clear enough. My questin is, is this a common practice for FDNY to supply M/A to White Plains when things get busier than usual (like 2 fires at the same time)? Or is it possible that now that they have less manpower they are taking unprecedented steps, like calling FDNY, to cover the city? I don't live in White Plains, nor do I listen to WPFD scanners, so I'm not familiar with what goes in in WPFD. However, mfc2257 inferred correctly what I was asking and his answer makes sense to me.

Is this a result of the layoffs?

HIDs aren't bad unless they are aimed wrong, which is common on aftermarket installs. They actually "lose" less light than regular headlights (i.e. they have a more focused beam) so when properly aimed, they should be less blinding to oncoming drivers.

The New Hartford FD does this too I've heard. If it works, great!

I'm surprised they aren't fist pumping

Thanks for the great shots!

Can't they just do their own fit testing? Are NY laws different? We share the machine with another department and do it annually ourselves for free.

That is very interesting. I had not thought about that and didn't know that a dual stage airbag had different and separate charges. Would a good preventative measure then be to slice open the airbag?

I believe the reason for late deployment is a capacitor, not backup batter. Either way though, the result is the same. I have seen a youtube video of a Holmatro device failing. It wasn't because of it slipping off from an improper install... it ripped through the material. However, I would still use the device because it's not going to make the situation WORSE. If it slows down the bag deployment or contains it completely, that's better than not having it at all. Just be sure you operate as if it weren't there and keep as much of your body out of the path of deployment as possible.

I saw the 2 USAR tractor-trailers on I-91 yesterday with lights and air horn blasting through traffic. I have definitely not seen anything like that before. Amazingly adn thankfully they are reporting no major injuries or fatalities from the storm.

Funny because the first thing I thought when I saw the (now deleted) posts in this thread was, well I'm on the S-list on this board, and everyone will associate me with the Stamford thread and jump on every post from now on. My personality leads me to use humor to diffuse a tough situation. Obviously this is a terrible situation and I publicly apologise for a joke at an inopportune time that offended some people. I always support what I believe in, and if there is ever a petition to sign or donation drive with regards to Yonkers, I'll be there.

Ok I stand corrected.

WHY didn't it work? With the old system, the volunteer houses were covering their calls without outside help. The exception would be Long Ridge who just didn't have enough guys for an initial response and would rely on TOR autmatic mutual aid. This plan fixes that by TRIPPLING the Long Ridge manpower. Paid personnel volunteering is NOT illegal. It's only illegal if your union says it is and the volunteer districts never had that clause. They could do what they wanted outside of their shift. There are no OT callbacks or wasting of taxpayer money. I don't know where you heard that. You say inadequite manpower. 3 day guys per station and 2 at night sounds pretty par for the course. It's safe to assume at at least ONE volunteer is available evenings and nights because that has been more than proven over the past 2 years. So say 3 guys 24/7. Let's look at the NUMBERS... Old system: 2 at Long Ridge, 4 at TOR, 2 at Belltown, 3 at Springdale = 11 Current System: 2 at Long Ridge, 6 in TOR, 0 at Belltown, 3 at Springdale = 11 Proposed System: 6 at Long Ridge, 6 in TOR, 3 at Belltown, 3 at Springdale = 19 I think that settles the staffing issue. It has nothing to do with spin or propaganda. With regards to doing the above with SFRD members, I agree that everyone gets along on scene and works well together. I think there are 3 main problems: integration, trust, and rig swaping. The integration part is mainly letting volunteers ride out to calls and letting volunteers use SFRD gear. What makes a combination system work is is 1 or 2 guys are hanging around the station, to be able to jump on a rig and ride out. Not wait for a driver and full volly crew. The other part is to allow volunteers to go to a scene and grab an airpack and a tool. Because volunteers are all over the city, it's usually mroe efficient for thm to go to the scene. The other issue is trust. I think a lot of career guys won't trust volunteers with critical tasks. They will get boxed out of the knob and tool time. Lastly, rig swapping. These aren't insurmountable issues, it just doesn't seem like the union has been willing to budge.