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Where?, Where is the damn snow? I wish I could be the weatherman!

Another point to consider now is a tanker is NOT what it used to be. Many tankers from 10-15 years ago were a simple commercial 2 man cab, made to be on the road quickly whereas some of the newer tankers that you see on the road now are that of manpower and equipment capable. Case in point, the 2 tankers in my own department are Class A Engines, 1 is a 8 Man Cab and the Other is a 5 man cab. Both have a full array of firefighting equipment from thermal Imaging Cameras to Vent Saws...and everything in between. One is 2500 gallons and the other is 3000 Gallons. Our SOG's require for a tanker to respond mutual aid that it has a qualified driver and a minimum of 4 (four) Interior Qualified personnel. Most of the time we fill the cab. Its a win win situation for both the driver of the apparatus and the company requesting you. Many dispatches for tankers now come with the request of manpower. We believe the "manpower" should come on the apparatus and not in a blue light parade. Just my 2 cents.

It should have a 5 year warranty.

Umm...Chief, we may need a tanker on this one!

Mt thoughts exactly...If you have a "concern", bring it to the chain of command and not to the "chain letter".

Here are some pictures of the Plattekill Fire Districts New Pumper Tanker. It will serve us for at least 15 years and is a fine addition to our Apparatus Fleet. If you notice, we opted to not put on the Roto-Ray in order to keep all the Apparatus to appear the same. You will find some differences in the appearance such as the Battalion 3 and Engine 2 Labeling on the Doors, windows and Front Bumper. All of our larger apparatus have "Plattekill" written across the front, the Roto-Ray would not allow us to have this on this piece. Over All length is 33' 11" GVW is 81,000 Lbs Height is 110" Dump time is 54 Seconds if Using the 10" newton Dump on the rear and 71 Seconds if using one of the 8" Chute Side Dumps, We have not done a combined time yet. Fill Time all depends on where you are filling it from and who or what is filling you. Engine 2 is set up as a Class A Pumper with a wide variety of equipment, See Partial Inventory Below; The Color Code for this unit is blue. Ulster County Call Sign; 47-20 Private Channel Call Sign; Engine 2 2009 HME Ahrens Fox 1871 Pumper Tanker 5 Man Cab 3000 Gallon Tank 2000 GPM Pump 1500' 5" Angus Hi-Vol Hose 700' 1 3/4" Neidner XL-800 Hose 700' 2 1/2" Neidner XL-800 Hose 45' Kochek Hard Suction 3000 Gallon Fol-Da-Tank Zico Electric Folding Tank Lift 24' Ladder 14' Ladder 10' Attic Ladder 2 - 6' Steel Hooks 2 - 8' Fiberglass Pikes 2 - 4' Pikes 2 - 4' Sheet Rock Hooks 2 - 3' Sheet Rock Hooks 2 - 3' D Dandle Pikes 1 - 4' Push Broom 1 - 3' Square point Shovel 2 - 30" Pro Bars 2 - Flat Head Axes 2 - Pick Head Axes 4 - Scott 4.5 SCBA w/ Mask and Voice Amps 6 - Spare 4.5 Cylinders ISG Thermal Imaging Camera Honeywell Impact Pro 4 Gas Monitor Dual Head, Dual Frequencies Kenwood Mobile Radios, Low band and UHF 6 - ICOM Portable UHF Radios 250' 12-3 Electric Cord Reel w/ Electric Rewind and Akron Junction Box 16" Supervac Vent Saw 20" Supervac Electric Fan 16" Supervac Electric Fan 2 - 14' x 18' Salvage Covers, Nylon 1 - 9' x 9' Salvage Cover, Cloth Turbo Flare LZ Kit 24 EFlare Traffic lights Akron Salvage Kit 2 - Low Level Siphon Jet Strainers 1 - 6" Barrel Strainer Assortment of Adapters and Valves Hydrant Kit Bag Power Call Siren Q2B Siren 4 Stutter Air horns (Has Separate Activator and Air Valve w/ tanks) 6 Train Horns (Has Separate Activator and Air Valve w/ tanks) Garmin Nuvi 885T GPS AM/FM/CD/5 Channel Weather Band Sirius Civil Defense Radio Led interior Whelen Lighting All Whelen LED Lighting Dual Led Rear facing Arrow Sticks Reflective Chevron 3 Video Camera System, 1 Rear and 2 Side allowing for 360 Degree Vision Akron Nozzles Akron Appolo Deck Gun MIV Hidden Valves Electric Valve Operators Akron Command Center Much more to list

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Very Good Points. As we began to talk about when and where to mount equipment, we also began to look for mount brackets that have been approved by NFPA for Crash Test and Weight loads. The brackets used in the cab are of such qualifications by Performance Advantage Company. Matter of Fact all Brackets used in this apparatus are from PAC. We find their quality to be high and safe at the same time. We even put helmet mounts and SCBA mounts in the cab to ensure safety. As for the front intake, we use it 50% of the time. There are times that space, weather conditions and apparatus placement does not allow us to use the side intakes. The ONLY problem we have in the last 10 years with the front intakes is when a Neighboring fire department accidentally backed into the intake shifting the piping and the pump. A very large insurance claim. It makes everything that much easier when you have to "nose" into those tighter water sources. And as for the radios, I cant give you answer on that question. I am sure any impact will pose a threat to the occupants and the equipment mounted, considering we have scene Tractor Trailers MVA's where their Motors and Transmissions were ripped out and flung 200' from where the remainder of the truck landed. Nothing technically is mounted then. In this Link, you can see the secured Seat in the apparatus became a missile and went through the wind shield. http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/fire/images/200717P1.jpg

Thank You. The committee did put in a lot of time. From our first meeting to date of delivery, the committee worked very hard in making it very successful. Over all time frame from the 1st meeting to the Inspection trip was only 17 months. We went in knowing what we wanted and after looking at some different ideas, we were able to quickly put together this specification. A big effort was put in also by Jim Terry and Exceptional Emergency Vehicles. We had a length requirement as well as a height requirement. This did limit us to the size motor we could have used. About 2 months after signing contracts the company added 4' to the length of station 1 and 11" of height. Unfortunately it was too late to change the cab and chassis design for the larger motor.

Yes, there will be a 2010 wet down. We don't have any details yet but as they come available I will post. Due to term limits i will not be chief in 2010 although I will be a big part in the new line officer slate and already have been asked to be part of their planning.

When the Driver sits in his seat, the radio cluster is further back than it looks allowing for a clear view.

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2010 Officer List Plattekill Fire District Plattekill Fire Rescue Line Office Chief – Ralph Davis 1st Assistant Chief – Robert Betanzos 2nd Assistant Chief – Christopher Mancuso 1st Captain – Jason Meyer 2nd Captain – Keith Kovacs EMS Captain – Lynn Wagner Fire Police Captain – John Laskowsky 1st Lieutenant – Brian Stafford 1st EMS Lieutenant – Jason Grasso 1st Fire Police Lieutenant – Michael Putnam 2nd Lieutenant – Pasquale “PJ” DeGiorgio 2nd EMS Lieutenant – John Thomas Kopaskie 2nd Fire Police Lieutenant – Jeff Hoppenstedt Jr. 3rd Lieutenant – Chris Northrup 3rd EMS Lieutenant – Mike Daye 4th Lieutenant – John Papo Company Officers President – James Hoppenstedt Vice President – Charles Trojahn Financial Secretary – John Sisti Treasurer – Mark Best Hall Recording Secretary – Karen Daye Board of Fire Commissioners Chairman James Hoppenstedt Commissioner Mark Best-Hall Commissioner Gail Casiano Commissioner Samuel Doncel Commissioner Keith Way Secretary Nancy Papo Treasurer Stacey Lloyd

December 09 2009, Orange Lake Fire Dispatched for a serious MVA w/Entrapment at RT 300 and Grace Lane in the Town of Newburgh. DC 2 On scene reporting not their fire District. Plattekill Fire Dispatched for same. Orange Lake began extrication, assisted by arriving units from Plattekill. Plattekill Car 3 established command and advised Engine 1 OOS for Mechanical. Also asked for Status on Medivac but advised none were flying due to weather. Engine 2, 3, 4 and Ambulances 645 & 647 are on the road. Engine 3& 4 assisted with Extrication, Engine 2 Stood By For Traffic Control. 47-36 Fire Police Unit Closed RT 300 and Forest Road for Approximately 90 minutes. 1 Patient, Driver of the Jeep Serious Condition, extricated and transported by TONVAC to St. Francis and 645 Assessed other driver of Suburban for minor injuries who later RMA'd Another Excellent Job by Plattekill Fire Rescue and the Orange Lake Fire Department...who Work Very well together!

Again, like I already said, you have to "risk a lot to save a lot, risk a little to save a little." As for me being a "completely risk adverse firefighter" is way off key as obviously some one who cant comprehend some one speaking on the side of safety. Never once did I say I would chastise some on for making an attempt. Attempts are made every time we respond, PERIOD. I am talking about that lone guy standing out front taking the risk of going into a burning building where the second floor is fully involved, with no one around to communicate with, before arrival of a frickin' hand tool to use while doing their fast paced search to save a life. All the training everyone takes and the speeches you here all year long stating "Everyone Goes Home" And if the risk was way to high on a free burning fire and you are one person, alone, why are you taking the risk? God for bid you die in in that fire...That means Everyone did not come home, that means when OSHA, PESH and/or whoever come down for their investigation and found that something was done wrong and the chief of that department has to do jail time for "firefighters not being informed enough of the dangers of firefighting and not having the understanding of their own SOG's" means that chief didn't come home either. SOG's were not followed by someone and now other people that were "completely risk adverse firefighters" are paying the long term price when in fact all a educated person was doing was trying to keep everyone safe. Sometimes you can fix everything. All I was saying was be safe and use your head. And that's why I make everyone respond to their respective stations to man the apparatus, which is the original topic. We have done it for 5 years with little to no incidents...it works and I recommend it to everyone to try.

Very Good Points!

You are absolutely correct and I would probably do the same, except I have my Own SCBA and Mask in My Chiefs Car. Making it safer for me to do such...now this is where the chief in me comes out. When that person goes in and does not come out, who gets the blame? Not that member, Not the Home Owner but the chief of that department, whether or not they were actually on scene. So in the long run, they still did nothing but cause more of a problem. Who knows they went in? Did they even tell any one? Did they tell the home owner who forgot, only because they are rightfully preoccupied with the danger their child is in, to tell you that Joe FF went in to get them. Your now under the impression your looking for a child and you find a brother firefighter. Where was the accountability? We have no say in what J Q Public does and we can only pray they didn't succumb to their attempts. We read about the saves neighbors and milk men make all the time, or the lone firefighter on scene, but unfortunately we hear more about the ones who died trying. A side, 2nd Story flame blowing out of 2 windows and they tell you that's were the child is. Heavy smoke coming out the front door banked to 2 feet of the floor. Only people that have proper PPE on have the right to attempt to do a search of that building. Risk a lot to save a lot, risk little to save little. Driver alone does nothing for that soul inside and a member standing out side with nothing does nothing just the same. Now as for trying and succeeding, great! But to answer the question "Who was standing around do nothing?" If you went in alone with no equipment, no proper PPE and no accountability and that person dies, that person did nothing.

The questions I have, Is what benefit is there to having someone respond to the scene with out apparatus and how effective is some one just standing there waiting for an apparatus? Paid drivers are different and I am not pointing them out although how effective are the drivers alone on a scene? Also How does that look in the public eye when they are screaming "My Baby is inside, MY Baby is Inside" and all you can do is stand there? Number 1; on Initial response for apparatus in my own department, our SOG is "all Members shall respond to their respective stations to man the apparatus. No Member except for Chief's and Safety Officers are allowed to go direct to the scene" Only on 2nd Alarm assignments are members allowed to respond to the scene, Only after they have responded to a station to man apparatus they may be left. Number 2; Most departments do not issue everyone their own SCBA. So while waiting for the apparatus and doing nothing on scene, what goes on? They need to communicate with the crew that may be on the apparatus, DON SCBA, and then gather their "tools" just to begin the job. If you arrive on the apparatus, a lot of this is done before you arrive on scene saving those precious minutes. Remember the 1st 10 minutes of your incident will dictate the remainder of your incident. Dont you think it would be beneficial to the OIC, the apparatus operator and the members to know who is on their IFA Crew. BY having them respond to the station and man an apparatus, they have the chance to discuss on the way to the alarm on what their strategies can or will be and who will go where. Communication is the key. They should use that response time to, 1 listen to commands orders, 2 discuss their plan, 3 discuss safety and 4 who is doing what...ETC Just my 2 Cents....

Nice unit!!! Best of luck with it!!!

I believe that is the place for the Light tower, just like you would see on larger rescues and such. The AC Unit should be behind it or on the raised roof...and that's only if this unit was equipped with AC.

Rest in Peace Brother. Your sacrifices will not go unnoticed. God, Please bless the Family and the Yonkers FD For their Horrific Loss. May there be justice. God Bless all of you.

2009 HME Pumper Tanker, 3000 gallons, 2000 gpm pump Hale Q-Max, 5 man cab. ISG TIC, Honeywell Gas Meter, Neidner Hose, Angus LDH Hi-Vol 1500', Roto Ray, Power Call Siren (Yeah a Power Call!), Fed Q2B, 4 Stutter Air Horns, 3 Nathan M3 Train Horns, Assortment of tools and equipment, Elec Locks and Windows, Emergency Broadcast Radio with 5 channel Weather band, Low and UHF Kenwood Radios, 3 Camera View System (Rear and 2 sides), Air Operated Bell, All Whelen LED Lighting (And I Mean ALL)...and Much Much More.....Should be here late this week!

Thank you!!!..... I cant wait to see your new beast coming...I was tellin' my 2 assistants about it tonight.

Yeah...shes a loud one!