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Thanks! I did get a tour of the station. It is a beautiful station!

I know this is far from the tristate but it sounds like a cool job. Not many people can say they work at one of the most dangerous airports in the world. Eagle County Regional Airportwas rated number 8 on the most dangerous airports, according to The History Channel. Additional info can be found here. This is a great video about them. Future Co-workers?

dwcfireman: my apoliges for the mix in info. I am never on Alpha, or on the north side of the airfield. I am always on Kilo and Lima. Taxiways are a lot smaller on the southern side. Is the airport going through renovations? I know they are doing some work on the ramp but little work has been done to the terminal or parking garage. They keep talking about building a new airport garage in armonk, but it looks lees and less likely. As for the runway (16/34), it seems to be in good condition. I'm comparing it to some of the terrible runways I've landed on. When is it due for repaving? As for ARFF, don't you have 4 trucks? 2 Oshkoshs, 1 E-one and 1 P-19? Do you consider the spill cart part of your "apparatus"? Sorry to disapoint you but my avatar is of LGA's ARFF not HPNs, although they do look simmilar. Do you have any pics to share of HPN arff? And do you ever think HPN will upgrade to a "C" index?

Yea, your're right. my appoligies for any confusion.

It's like you took the words right out of my mouth. I could not agree more. I like that idea!

I do not think that Airbus has realeased the new performance and specs on the new A321. It's not just weight that determines whether or not it can use HPN's 6500ft runway. The county and the FAA would have to approve it, and I don't think that will happen. It won't fit in the gate area since it is a lot longer then the A320 and the over-crowded terminal and parking structure can't handle more volume. A lot of things would have to change if jetBlue wants to bring the A321 to HPN. It is more likley that the new A321s would fly the more popular routes, like JFK-MCO, JFK-LAS and JFK-LAX. What I am looking foward to seeing is what happen when Southwest come to HPN, now that should be interesting! Anyway, I did some research and this is what I fould. All this info is for the old A321 and not the new A321 which jetBlue ordered. The A321 has a wheelbase of 55ft, which is to wide HPN's widest taxiway which is only 60ft wide. The A321 is 146ft long, which would require the airport to do serious improvemnets. The range is listed as 3,600 miles. The A321 does operate out of LGA's 7,001ft runways, but uses most, if not all, of the runway on warm summer days. jetBlue built their new terminal (T6) with the idea that they would purchase larger aircraft. So they are ready for it at JFK but not HPN.

Pictures are avialble in the links. Auction ends July 5th. R6: 1989 GMC C7D042 Fire Truck R46: 1994 Ford E350 Rescue Vehicle

Does anybody have any info? An IA has not been writen. Thanks in advance. update: 4 DOA in aircraft

Iteresting that you mention the SR22. I am cirrus pilot and am very familiar with the SR20 and SR22. They are certainly becoming a lot more popular. I think there are about 30 cirrus aircraft kept on thre field, most are kept at the Million Air FBO. They do offer a challenge to firefighters because of the composite fuselage and the explosives. Yes, explosives! The way the parachute deploys in a cirrus is with explosives. If you are intersted in how it all works, The discovery Channel filmed a "How do they do it?" episode at the Cirrus Plant in Duluth, MN. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_B--xSUxBA&feature=channel_video_title

It would be the cessna 172. It is the most popular cessna. It holds 56 Gallons of Fuel.

What type of cessna? Cessna Aircraft

I am just wondering, if this event happened on airport property (inside the AOA) who has command? Is there a cheif or suppervisor with HPN ARFF that takes command with an incident. Yes, the airport is in 3 different fire districts, but I think the fire districts stop at the perimeter fence. I think the airport is it's own district. Am i right?According to the Westchester GIS Fire district map, the airport is it's own fire district. However, it also shows that the airport is divided into 3 EMS districts.

Yup! I think everyone who responds to the airport should read NTSB 830. Here is part of the law.

I understand where you are coming from but than what is the point of signal codes and 10 codes? Most People are familiar with Boeing, Airbus and gulfstream, some are familiar with aircraft like the Boeing 747 and 737. However have you ever heard of Canadair, CRJ or a piagio? There are aircraft manafactures and aircraft models that people oustide the industry haven't heard of. There are evan private planes that come in to HPN that are bigger then B6's A320s. Most aviation related incidents do not include Part 119 operations (Commercial Service) or Part 135 ops(Charter and Private Aircraft). More often it is smaller general aviation aircraft. If you hear that a cessna has crashed, do you immediately think that it is a small aircraft? There is an aircraft that cessna makes that can hold up to 18 occupants and hold close to 2,000 gallons of Jet A fuel. If you heard a gulfstream was involved in a crash, do you know which type of gulfstream? Gulfstream has manafactured 14 different types of aircraft. The shortest gulfstream is 63ft long and longest is 99ft long. Gulfstreams can hold anywhere between 2-24 people. For most flights, there really is no need to guess or estiamte the numbers of soles on board or how much fuel is on board. If the aircraft is on any type of flightplan, this type of info is submited and kept with ATC when you submit that flightplan. Every single air traffic controler has access to that info. Yes, there is a better way to organize this info for first responders but for now, the alert and level system will have to work. Again, I understand what you say but I think the more information you have prior to ariving on scene, the more prepared you are.

I do not know which, if any, departments it served before TMFD, but I do know the body was made by Marion

ok, so it should have been Alert 3, Level 2 for the initial dispatch. Airport 7 or 11 should have signed on to 60 Control via the trunked and updated 60-Control and responding units on the condition.

Great Info by the way but what was the time of the initial dispatch? The aircraft crashed around 1307hrs. Was the dispatch prior to the crash or while it was aflight?

he would not have seen the plane. The flight path over lyons park is the approach to runway 34. The plane that crashed departed 34.

There is a reason they put a humman figure in the PE Drawings! Low: In the middle: High:

The Cessna 210 has many different variants of the model, which is why people are coming up with different numbers. The one involved in the crash was a T210N, which holds a total of 88 gallons of usable fuel, 123 gallons if you include a Auxiliary fuel tank. This plane takes Avgas (or 100LL) aviation grade fuel, which is stored in the gas tanks, located in the wings. Here are some IAs for past aircraft emergencies New Hackensack - Airplane Crash - 8/8/10 New Hackensack - Fatal Airplane Crash 11/22/09 New Hampton (Orange) - Mid-Air Crash of Two Small Planes 05-09-11

Yes, Those requiremnets still exist for a "B" ARFF Index. Airport Rescue and Firefighting Requirements – Part 139 (PDF)

No, Cause I assume that most of the aviation grade fuel burned and did not reach Rye Lake or seap into the ground.

Well, you make a good point. Does Air 2 have have trunking capabilities? I think the helicopter does. I know they were downlinking a video feed to their HQ but I do not know if the link was ever sent to IC or FC1. I heard a lot of radio transmitions from the aviation unit on the WC Police freq (155.310). I believe there was radio contact between Air 2 and the airport sergeant (who was at IC).

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Would this be accurate? Satilite image from google maps. Also, according to Flightaware, a Cessna 210 departed HPN at 1:05pm. Flight Plans Info about possible aircraft Picture of possible plane ATC recordings (emmergency declared around 5min in) Lohud Article