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Silly rabbit, DeBlasio does not appoint the important spots in the city, his wife does!

Who cares about the PPE. They should not be doing that in the first place. If they wanted to do something good, find the driver and find out what he is hauling. Then when the FD arrives, they can relay that info to them. What in this video did they really save. Nothing!!! Fire Department people do Fire stuff and PD do whatever it is you do. But you know the old saying, "Inside every cop is a fireman dying to get out"

Nate, why in the world would you give up 1/4 inch which is about 9-10mm rope as a bail out system and go to 1/2 inch or 12.5-13.0 mm. As a bail out system, this just does not make sense. A bailout is a 300 lbs load. Why in the world would you increase it to 1/2 rope which now would be a 600 lbs load tested rope?? Not sure how they do things out there, but based on NFPA, for bailout systems, 8-9 mm is what is recommended as the max diameter for rope. The most common diameter is the 7.5-8 mm which meets all standards for 300 lbs test. Also, what is your reason for getting rid of the EA and going to the MPD? As someone had said already, too many holes to fill in here. Not really sure you fully understand what a personal escape system and devices are.

Not really. Major differences between EA and MPD. Where did you take your US&R bail out class? MPD has only been around for about 1 yr. on the market and our company actually had the first prototype. I highly doubt that you actually carry this device. Also, who was teaching your class? Was in a department US&R class or was it an outside company which came in to teach? Thanks for any information.

I think that it is good that you have taken the initiative to get a bailout system. However, if you are not trained in using the system and know the pros and cons of that system, then it is as bad as not having anything at all. You just can not go out and buy a system which you think may work or even has been proven to work and expect it to save your life without proper training.

All of the "out of state" programs meet the NFPA 1006 and 1670 standards. I would not take another NYS rope class since this program is so outdated and not up to speed on the equipment and procedures that are out there. There are several good programs out there, you just have to look for them. One problem with Rocco is that they have not updated their student cirriculum for about 10 years now. In the rope industry that is for ever. The field is always evolving with new techniques and equipment. Just look around.

As with any system, you need to do trial test. For example, find (purchase) the top 5 devices or packages you are looking into. Come up with a series of "test" to perform with each system. Anchor the device at pt A and go to pt B for playout time, crawl under "rubbish" to see if the system hangs up, perform several rappels on the device to see the problems if any, etc... From there you will find the one that fits your department the best. It may be that a combination of systems work best for your department.

The Petzl EXO is a good system but there are pros and cons to every system. If you are familiar with devices and ropes, there are better "systems" you could put together which are better than the EXO. Remember in order to have the EXO system you have to be trained by a certified EXO rep. which is only done by Petzl, regardless of whatever BS someone is trying to tell you. I know because I was heavily involved in the FDNY development of the EXO. I have witnessed first hand of the good and bad of the device. Yes, I am also certified to teach it, but I think there is better stuff out there. Again, this is up to your department(s) on what they choose, but you should choose something and not nothing. Everyone should have a rope with some type of device to get out when the ----hits the fan.

I had the fortune or misfortune of pulling a large tin ceiling about 10 feet in hieight. It was not easy. We had our haligan hooks and just looked for a seam and pulled away. It is much better if you have two guys with hooks pulling on the same seam and in the same direction. The tin seemed to come down a little better than having the two FF work in seperate areas. It was not easy, but the job got done. Not bad to do it once in a while as long as every job does not have tin ceilings.

You make some excellent points here. First, the team is already fully assembled. There is not time wasted in traveling to the firehouse and then to the scene of the incident. They will respond quicker. Secondly, not only is it fully assmebled already, but it is also fully qualified. If you look at NFPA and FEMA standards for establishment of a USAR team (either Federal or state or regional) there are very strick standards which would qualify these teams. Not only NFPA 1006 but also 1670 for teams. As I have read, it seems that the "newly formed" team does not have standards or may have standards to what they see fit. Who really loses here? John Q Citizen because he is going to need help one day and the "new" team is going to show up and give a false sence of hope and will not be able to get the job done in a timely fashion. If there is a qualified team in place already, why not use them?

It seems to be just a one story building, by just looking at the surrounding buildings. I would not worry about vertical ventilation at all. Make an aggressive interior attack with horizontal ventilation. Have a truck company open up the ceilings inside and knock the fire down. Too me, there does not seem to be much benefit to placing men on the roof for the amount of ventilation they will be able to acheive. You can get just as much if not more ventilation by horizontal vent in this situation.