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This reminds me of the talk of Haz-Mat responses back in the 1980's when departments were just getting involved in Haz-Mat responses. There were extreme ideologies back then as well. Some thought it was inevitable and something the fire service could not avoid. Others thought it was pure craziness and the barn doors should be kept shut if there was a green cloud floating through downtown. 
 
I think that starting a Tech-Rescue team is a good idea whether its career or volunteer. What are the alternatives? Have some child fall down a well and the totally untrained towns people gather together and try to form a human chain down into the well? With that being said, proper judgement has to be used by a Haz-Mat team or a Tech Rescue team when things are beyond their capability and that comes with training.  
 
If a local Haz-Mat team got called to a train derailment and there was some really severe Ethel-Methal Bad Stuff mixing with Super-Duper Sticky Stuff and it was obvious that special teams from the production companies and a professional clean-up crew would be needed to mitigate the situation, then perhaps the best approach would be to evacuate, pull-back and try to protect the environment if able to.
 
The same would hold true for a Tech-Rescue team. If they respond to an old excavation site to discover someone has fallen 100 feet into a 2 foot diameter hole, they may decide they need to call a professional excavating company and a professional rigging and shoring company to come in and assist. 
 
In both cases training, judgment and size-up are needed to determine, "can we handle this?" A chief wouldn't send a crew of firefighters into a fully-involved, collapsing house on a report someone was inside - same idea.
 

Yes, the Mack was refurbished by E1 and a new 8V71 Detroit repower in the early eighties. I remember the body being so rusted out that we had to put plywood on the floor of the compartments to keep stuff from falling out.

Credit to Christian Clinch via policecarwebsite.net
 
 

Your worried about the cost for Trump and his familiy, Our President,  I know where to get the money.
 
Look what it costs to protect the UN with direct and indirect costs.............
 
Table 5. Estimated Costs to New York City
Figures reflect annual impacts in millions of 2014 dollars.
Direct Expenditures Forgone Tax Revenue
Security $8 million
Real Property Tax $72 million
Education $45 million 
Personal Income Tax $26 million
Mayor's Office for International Affairs $1 million Sales & Use Tax $1 million
 
Direct Expenditures - $54 million
Forgone Tax Revenue - $99 million
 
Source:
The Economic Impact of the
United Nations Community
on New York City
 
Lets trim a little from their budget to protect our President.

this is a non story - perhaps we should make an amendment that you only can run for President if you are poor.  That way they will be so impressed with White House - have no vacation homes and just stay in the White House for 4 years (maybe 8).  Its life, its the law - I know a ton ton more waste everyday in the federal Gov't going on every single day.    

So...it's what's expected for any VIP...it's not the first time the city was not reimbursed for services to a VIP....won't be the last.......

While that is true, more people in emergency services are being shot at by skells.  I believe the point he was trying to make was that the liberal party has empowered criminals who are now not only taking aim at law enforcement but anyone working in emergency services.  Completely inexcusable.  These men and women are out on the streets helping the people who really need it and the liberal agenda has turned it into a race war.  Donald is attempting to bring light of that.

NYC Department Of Environmental Protection PD
2016 Ford Police Interceptor SUV w/ New Lettering Scheme
 

Maybe some of us that live in the area and have friends in Arlington FD have a better picture as to what's actually going on there. If the chief as well as the chauffer's have no issues, why then the commissioners? Who better then them knows what's safe or not.  Remember, these people are in the public safety business. Last I knew commissioners weren't driving the apparatus. People are burning flags across the country and when our brothers answer their final call and there coffins are draped with them this flag ban stings even more. This is arbitrary and capricious. If the size of the flags were an issue then how about a smaller flag rather than an all out ban?

Maybe some of us that live in the area and have friends in Arlington FD have a better picture as to what's actually going on there. If the chief as well as the chauffer's have no issues, why then the commissioners? Who better then them knows what's safe or not.  Remember, these people are in the public safety business. Last I knew commissioners weren't driving the apparatus. People are burning flags across the country and when our brothers answer their final call and there coffins are draped with them this flag ban stings even more. This is arbitrary and capricious. If the size of the flags were an issue then how about a smaller flag rather than an all out ban?

Some of the outrage may have been sparked by what happened in Coventry Rhode Island when a commissioner there stated "They look like a bunch of yahoos," Gralinski said at a board meeting. "Like in the paper, like ISIS is Syria going to take over a city. I don't think they need that big flag on the back of the truck. That's not America to me. Those are a bunch of terrorists. So, I'm going to ask you to take the flag off the truck." I think this recent flag ban may be a thinly veiled attempt by the Arlington commissioners to do the same. I support the flags, especially at a time when the country is so divided.
 
http://turnto10.com/news/local/central-coventry-fire-district-asked-to-remove-american-flags-from-trucks

Some of the outrage may have been sparked by what happened in Coventry Rhode Island when a commissioner there stated "They look like a bunch of yahoos," Gralinski said at a board meeting. "Like in the paper, like ISIS is Syria going to take over a city. I don't think they need that big flag on the back of the truck. That's not America to me. Those are a bunch of terrorists. So, I'm going to ask you to take the flag off the truck." I think this recent flag ban may be a thinly veiled attempt by the Arlington commissioners to do the same. I support the flags, especially at a time when the country is so divided.
 
http://turnto10.com/news/local/central-coventry-fire-district-asked-to-remove-american-flags-from-trucks

Maybe some of us that live in the area and have friends in Arlington FD have a better picture as to what's actually going on there. If the chief as well as the chauffer's have no issues, why then the commissioners? Who better then them knows what's safe or not.  Remember, these people are in the public safety business. Last I knew commissioners weren't driving the apparatus. People are burning flags across the country and when our brothers answer their final call and there coffins are draped with them this flag ban stings even more. This is arbitrary and capricious. If the size of the flags were an issue then how about a smaller flag rather than an all out ban?

I want one.
 

 
 
More photos/info: http://www.equipmentworld.com/meet-jack-macks-800-hp-mega-crew-cab-pickup-truck/?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_content=08-05-2016&utm_campaign=Equipment World&ust_id=4f701e9e86afc015e4aad769df0eb9ff

I kinda like this idea.
 
 
FULL ARTICLE: http://triblive.com/news/westmoreland/10818646-74/naloxone-drug-county
 

No one has seen a more chaotic volunteer vs career situation than the two responding members of the Stamford Fire Dept. I am referring to the two above posters calling themselves "AFS1970" and "X152". Personally I have no idea who they are. Except that I have a few long time personnel friends in that department. I assume those that posted are career firefighters.
 
For anyone, to make a statement such as the one reported by Channel 12 News is totally unacceptable. Somebody said it and somebody is to blame for it.
 
Very often facts are withheld until the right time presents itself. We see that every day in a court of law. Apparently the person recording this felt the timing was now right to present it. I have to agree with that as I think this builds a better case for those eight Port Chester firefighters of getting their jobs back. Somebody, clearly is recorded as advising people to damage another firefighters home. Should the entire volunteer system in Port Chester be blamed for this ? Of course not. But I would expect those other members to fully support these firefighters.
 
 What if that statement were made by a CAREER FIREFIGHTER ? Does that change it ? Well, clearly there would be some type of discipline taken against that firefighter by a superior officer or chief. No doubt a price would have to be paid. Maybe a suspension and loss of pay, or termination. It is just not allowed or accepted for a career firefighter - ANYPLACE - to get away with that. Most career firefighters can be held responsible for anything they say or do under the rules of a semi military type organization.
 
  There is clearly another indirect lesson to be learned here by both career AND volunteer firefighters. Regardless of what you think, each and every one of you are held to a much higher standard by the general public. Let the office worker be arrested for a causing a fatal DUI accident and nobody really knows where he works or if he gives his co-workers a bad name. Let that same thing happen where a firefighter is the cause of that fatal DUI accident and the headlines clearly show; "FIREFIGHTER the cause of fatal DUI accident". The entire Fire Dept must carry that negative reputation around with it - Volunteer or City Paid.
 
 People expect you to be of higher character than their neighbor down the street. "I know I do". People will hand their sick child over to a total stranger in a firefighters uniform. They expect you to be of good character.

I've been on both sides of the volunteer/paid argument having served as a firefighter in the military and as a volley for many years. With that being said I'm not biased one way or the other. The fire service in this country was built on the backs of men who volunteered for their communities. Is it perfect, no. The paid fire service from what I've read of late is also far from perfect. There have been many discussions on here about lack of manpower and over utilization of mutual aid, shoddy equipment and other caveats. Additionally studies of fires burning hotter is of equal consequence to both paid and volunteer. The point of this discussion was originally about misappropriated funds and the FD's apparently bloated budget. Can you imagine how large the budget would be with a paid compliment? Last I looked, Mahopac wasn't loaded with foundations. There has been many houses saved in your community. My question to you is, if you know what's so direly lacking and have a wife and possibly children, then why are you endangering yourself and family by living there?

Amen to that.

I don't know what the exact charge would be, but it would be something along the lines of impersonating a public safety official since they are no longer recognized as such.

What happened?

What happened?

First off you know nothing about me. 1. My blue light reference was sarcasm. 2. You know nothing about my work ethic in life. 3. I personally have nothing career firefighters. What i do have a problem with is union grand standing. 4. If you think that the City of Port Chester is standing today because of 8 career firefighters then you are delusional. 5 Obviously you have an issue with the notion that people would do this job for nothing and when you say that we depend on the career fire service check your stats. The country as a whole is still volunteer as a majority because people have a love for their community which is something your hate spewing self cannot grasp. 

I do not know where to begin. I dont wear XXXL shirts but i might use that C note towards some new false teeth or a fresh new blue light. I dont drink but maybe you and I can belly bump at the FDIC when I go as a groupie. Seriously though do not ask me about my hero the PCFD chief. I dont know him nor do i care to. Its funny though how i never defended yet you assumed I did because we are both vollies. As much as i love to cruise on the parade wagon though i do have a 60 hour a week job and still make 100+ FD calls and  100+ training hours (not truck waxing or poker playing) and yet you and your brand of keyboard firefighters have problemsaccepting meand guys like me because im not in the union. And thank you to EMT Bravo for constantly reminding us volunteers we will never neasure up. That said I have to finish watching Chicago Fire on demand. Maybe someday I can be Kelly Severide right FDalumnus?  Belly bumps all around my brother

as nice as it is, this picture saddens me as I was the chairman of that truck committee. At least it wasn't a total loss.