JBJ1202

My fault for not having the best topic title. The title was changed because I couldn't figure out what to call it. My question doesn't really ask about the departments that get dispatched from their local PD, but more how their local PD handles the 9-1-1 calls. Whether you are dispatched by the county or not when you dial 9-1-1 from home it goes to the PD most of the time. They are not going to be need every time they are dispatched, but like 585 said, we will assist with patient care/packaging, traffic control, and assess for any hazards. I just think that the incident type should dictate what resources are assigned. I hope that I clarified by myself a little better. JBJ

I have a few questions regarding low pressure air bags: Who has them and for how long? How and where do you train with them? Who is the manufacturer? (pros/cons) What size bags do you carry? What support equipment goes with using them? What situations did your department need to use them? Thank you in advance JBJ

Both points are appreciated... Billfitz touched on the support equipment required for such operations. This equipment would not come from the same manufacturer as the bags themselves, where would you suggest I look into such equipment? I see how the construction of the bag can make a very dangerous work environment. Lifting such distances without the proper stabilization is very dangerous. We carry a variety of wood cribbing from 8x8 to 2x4, but I see how that would not be enough in these types of incidents. JFLYNN I understand your position that it is very easy to purchase equipment and feel that you are qualified to operate with it without proper hands on training. In the price quote we received "training" on the bags is included, but as you stated this does not mean you a qualified to use it. I am very interested in some "good hands on training", and by bringing my questions to this site I was hoping I could find some direction in the subject. Where would a volunteer department get this type of training? I feel the career departments have the ability to network with each other and host these types of drill between themselves. Is private fire training instructors the way to go? The last thing I want to do is purchase thousands of dollars of this equipment without going through the proper steps. I want the members of my department to have to correct training and equipment to handle the events that occur in the district. If outside assistance is required then I wouldn't hesitate to ask for it. JBJ

Thanks for the replies... I just googled low pressure air bags for a visual reference... and added that picture. I am very interested in the low pressure bags. My department has a good amount of interstate traffic (I-287/I-684) and I feel that this is an excellent piece of equipment to add. I have investigated different manufacturers and currently looking into the Vetter brand. http://www.vetter.de/_Downloads/vetter/cat...%20Products.pdf (pages 14 through 19) In the title page it states that the operating pressure is 1.45-14.5 psi. I believe this is considered low pressure… correct? Based on the numbers it seems that the bags greatest advantage is its lifting height, and not lift capacity. 585... first, sorry you are missing your CB & C night... second, I was under the impression that certain departments in Westchester carried these already, but I cannot confirm. Maybe the night shift could do some CAD searching for me… JFLYNN... As I stated above, the primary use of the bags would be for large scale extrication in my district. I know that they have other uses as you said, but I know the initial training on them would be for the extrication use. For the training, I've heard Stiloski provides large vehicles for extrication, any others? Most of the reading material I find is just forum discussions on the matter, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. When you say a full complement of bags, what would that be considered? Thanks again JBJ

High Pressure (120 psi) Low Pressure (15 psi) This is what I am basing my questioning off of. If any of this is incorrect feel free to correct me please. JBJ

I can get some tomorrow night when I go into work...

A lot of those in Garnetland Steve? I've been meaning to check out the Rye Bar and Grill since the renovation... might find a few in there... Have you checked it out yet? 585... I hear a large carnivore is hibernating in the room lately... I believe the natives call it BDL???? JBJ

No more arm rests either! But really the extra space was needed. They never had the proper strorage for the equipment they carry before these new rigs came out. I agree with ny10570 about the turning radius. At first sight I thought these things didn't have a chance, but it isn't an issue once you make the adjustment. JBJ

What was the location of the incident?

Purchase, Port Chester and Armonk all have parts of the airport in their district. Any incident that is not aircraft related is treated as a normal response for that department. The constant throughout the property is the police, which is primarily handled by WCPD. On a side note... The response to each aircraft incident will now be based on the level of fuel and the amount of passengers on board. This ensures that the correct amount and type of equipment is used. (A two passenger Cessna will not have the same response as a Boeing 737.) JBJ

I have never experienced a situation when only one member of the airport team has been on scene of a potential aircraft incident. I'm not sure of how far back you are referring to, but in the past 8 years I cannot remember one. As my good friend mike172ny stated, Airport Operations members are on the team and respond immediately. JBJ

The Rescue Medic bus was 03Rescue and the Haz Tac bus was 27Henry. Not far away from 27Henrys CSL... 03Rescue must have been in the area already because that is not near their area.

Manhattanville College and SUNY Purchase are both in our district.

I am very interested in having a mock accident at one of the colleges in my district. Anyone who has organized this kind of event in the past please send me a PM so I can ask a few questions... Thanks JBJ

27Henry sits right around there. The CSL for them is W 231/Bailey. They come out of Station 19 on W 183/Jerome. If 17Henry was on the job then they were probably coming out of a northern hospital like Monte, NCB, or OLM...

That is right in my area... I wonder which buses got the job...

My department has been operating on Fire 19 since late 2007. I have been hearing White Plains communicate with 60 Control on it much more in recent months. Battalion 19 is an odd mix of departments: Purchase, West Harrison, North White Plains, White Plains, Scarsdale, and County Airport. Purchase was the first department to utilize Fire 19 full time. North WP started full time the beginning of the year. Around the start of January I began to hear WPFD units weekly on the channel. Scarsdale talks to the county on mutual aid calls sometimes. The airport will communicate with 60 Control on A 60-CONTROL mostly, and incidents get switched to OPS 5. I have never heard them on Fire 19. It was nice having our own frequency for a while, but it is nice to see the other departments finally using it. JBJ

I don't see why FDNY EMS is not a good option even if you do not want to make it a career. They offer a FREE medic program... where else can you get an offer like that. Base salary and BLS overtime while you do mon-fri with weekend and holidays off. You can get a lot of experience there without making it your career. I know that classes are currently POSTPONED... but we all know that isnt going to last very long. EMS is way understaffed, you arent going to see a freeze on hiring like you might see on the fire side (unfortunately)... JBJ 19Boy1

Why would you say that?? I'll go with FDNY EMS...

Chuckie that is including Rye Brook correct?

Purchase Fire Department 2008: 559 2007: 773 Meaning we went to SUNY Purchase 214 less times this year...

West Harrison: 2501, E-265, E-267, TL-9, R-35, U-25 Purchase (Relocate): E-240 Harrison PD Harrison EMS C & O Zone 2 with FM-16 Con Ed Electric

I see this becoming an issue for departments that still use personal vehicles and are unmanned. Some departments depend on POVs to the scene with sometimes only a driver on the apparatus. If that ladder is utilized in a regional concept, you might have those POVs driving two or three towns over with the truck just having the driver. Understand that I am completely for consolidating and regionalizing, these are just questions that would be asked to me by others. I feel that with less apparatus and sharing of resources departments would be inclined to have some sort of volunteer staffing, at least during the evenings. Having a standard response for all incidents types is one of the major benefits I see in regionalizing as well. Larger volunteer departments with multiple companies and single company departments cannot be held to the same standard. You can even make the same argument for smaller career departments. Every place you go has a different level of response for the same types of incidents. Commercial alarm might have a single engine response or four engine, two ladders and a rescue response depending on where you live. Having a CFR engine response with an ambulance? Maybe if that department believes in that sort of thing. etc etc etc... JBJ

All volunteer departments in Westchester County are unmanned (as opposed to dedicated crews for apparatus). How would that be taking into consideration in regionalizing or consolidating multiple departments? JBJ

Relocated Units: Engine 151 (Greenville) Engine 25 (New Rochelle) Engine 174 (Fairview) Tower Ladder 29 (Scarsdale) Tower Ladder 11 (New Rochelle) Tower Ladder 17 (Eastchester) Stand by for Scarsdale in their own quarters