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I'm glad to hear that the Officer will make a full recovery. In one cheek and out the other? It would be some incredible luck if this was the case and his mouth was open...no dental damage! Hopes for a speedy recovery!

I too am split on this... I do not know how many MVA's FDNY responds to every year year, but I imagine billing for these calls would bring in a good chunk of revenue. I believe Westport FD (Connecticut) bills non-residents who are involved in MVA's and require FD assistance.

Date: 12-9-2010 Time: 19:35 Location: 706 Cedar St. Google Maps Frequency: St. Lawrence County Central Dispatch Units Operating: Ogdensburg FD; Ogdensburg Rescue Squad; Weather Conditions: Cold, 3 degrees Description Of Incident: Working fire. Reporters/Writer: PFDRes47cue 19:35 - Ogdensburg FD toned out for a structure fire. 19:40 - Ogdensburg off-duty firefighters toned out for manpower. 21:11 - Ogdensburg FD clear of fire scene back in service.

I agree that the tip should not be resting directly on the roof. That is with a good and knowledgable operator of course. I can not see these lights competing with flood lights in terms of intensity and rangew

Wow!!! Watching dumb people doing stupid things is amazing. How do you not notice a security camera on a pole right where you are starting a fire? Wouldn't you check for those???

I was actually going to say the same thing. If the ladder is going to be resting on the roof, it would appear the lights would be crushed. However, with that in mind, LED strip lights are fairly cheap to replace. I'm sure the truth about the products success will come out after its first fire application.

Nice system. WIll these project as much light as a traditional lighting system? Potsdam FD's new Tower 5 has a strip of blue LED's running the entire length of the ladder. This helps us to better see while climbing up the ladder during heavy smoke condition and it also allows people from the ground to see the ladder through smoke, snow, dark skys etc. It also looks pretty cool! Pictures of the lights on T5.

Date: 12-9-2010 Time: 00:12 Location: 36 Manor House Lane Google Maps Frequency: Dobbs Ferry FD Dispatch; 46.26; Fire Ground 2; Fire 14 Units Operating: Dobbs Ferry FD; Ardlsey F.A.S.T.; Irvington (1 Engine to stand-by in DFFD HQ); Hastings-on-Hudson FD; Battalion 12 & 11; C&O Zone 3; Con Ed Gas & Electric Weather Conditions: Clear , 30 degrees. Description Of Incident: Working house fire. Reporters: PFDRes47cue Writer: PFDRes47cue LoHud Article 00:12 - Dobbs Ferry dispatched by Dobbs Ferry PD to above address. Caller states there are flames coming out of the fire place. 00:18 - Command (2029) to 60-Control, "We have a 10-75 here," requesting Ardsley F.A.S.T. and Con Ed Gas & Electric. 00:19 - Dobbs Ferry FD re-toned for working fire and Ardlsley F.A.S.T. requested to the scene. 00:20 - Battalion 12 toned out to landline 60-Control for response. 00:22 - Command (2092) requesting an addition truck and engine to the scene. 00:25 - Command (2092) reports fire is doubtful, fIre on the 2nd floor, truck company is opening up, primary search is negative, 2 L/S/O's. "K." 00:24 - Command (2092) requesting 1 Engine from Irvington to stand-by in Dobbs Ferry HQ 00:38 - Battalion 11 is responding to Dobbs Ferry. 00:40 - Command (2092) reports we are using all companies, operating at a 3-story attached townhouse, fire on the 2nd floor with extension to the 3rd floor and attic, fire remains doubtful, 2 l/S/O/'s. Primary and secondary searches came back negative. 00:55 - C&O Zone 3 toned out for response. ***PM with additional details.***

Date: 12-8-2010 Time: 22:52 Location: 411 Bedford Rd. Google Maps Frequency: 46.26; Fire 16; Fire Ground 1 Units Operating: Bedford Hills FD; Battalion 16; KBHVAC; Mount Kisco (re-locate 1 Engine BHFD HQ); Bedford Hills PD; NYSEG Weather Conditions: Clear, 22 degrees (weather.com) Description Of Incident: Working chimney fire with extension to the house. Reporters: PFDRes47cue; Halligan87 Writer: PFDRes47cue; Firefighter59 22:52 - Bedford Hills FD dispatched for a reported structure fire at 411 Bedford Rd. 22:54 - Bedford Hills PD advising that smoke is pushing from the back door. 22:54 - 60-Control dispatched F.A.S.T. (unknown which F.A.S.T.) 23:02 - Command (2031) reporting they are operating at a working chimney fire with extension to the 1st floor and possibly the 2nd floor. They are setting up the ladder and have 2 L/S/O. 23:08 - Command (2031) reports they are working at a two-story wood frame 50x75. No extension to the 3rd floor, checking the 1st and 2nd floors. 23:18 - Command (2031) reports negative extension to the 2nd floor. We have visible file on the exterior and the walls of the D-side of the building, we are extinguishing that now. We are checking the basement. 23:20 - Command (2031) requesting C&O to respond to the scene. 23:42 - Command (2031) reports all visible fire is K/D, in the process of overhauling, releasing the F.A.S.T. team. 23:49 - Command (2031) requesting 60-Control to contact a representative from the town building department. 23:51 - 60-Control advises car 2031 that the number they have for the building department does not work, Bedford Hills PD has been requested to contact building department. 23:57 - Bedford Hills PD notified by firefighter who is controlling traffic that he heard a "screech and crash" possibly on the Saw Mill River Parkway. 00:03 - Bedford Hills PD reports car into the guardrail on the ramp of the SMRP (unsure which ramp), visible skid marks, damage to the guardrail, and car parts but car is G.O.A. 00:12 - Command (2031) is releasing an Engine and the Rescue 00:23 - Command (2031) requesting NYSEG to the scene. 00:44 - Battalion 16 to 60-Control, "I'm back in service." 00:54 - Command (2031) advises, "All Bedford Hills units are in service returning, except for myself, I will be awaiting NYSEG." **Job well done by 2031 for his detailed and frequent progress reports**

Having trouble registering...keeps answer marked with "*" needs answering. However, all questions are answered.

Date: 12-8-2010 Time: 08:15 Location: Hannawa Falls (unsure of exact location) Frequency: St. Lawrence County Central Dispatch Units Operating: Hannawa Falls FD; Potsdam FD; Pierrepont FD; Parishville FD; Weather Conditions: Cold 13 Description Of Incident: Working garage fire. Damage to a large sailboat that was near the garage. Reporters/Writer: PFDRes47cue

Great shots. The rig looks awesome! Very nice job, best of luck with it.

Awesome shots! Thanks for sharing.

Any EMS requested to the scene? Rehab unit? I imagine there was EMS at the scene, perhaps just not in the I/A. Unless it was included in Briarcliff FD.

Looks like a good stop. Nice photos, thanks for sharing.

Nice job Moose. Has the town decided to not get rid of the K9 unit like previously reported?

Several people have approached me asking why departments wait so long or fail to request EMS to a fire scene with transport buses and a rehab unit. I am not saying this because I am part of an EMS agency that often supplies a transport buses and/or a rehab unit, but rather because I feel that having transport buses and a rehab unit can be very important at a fire scene and can SAVE LIVES! It seems to me and to the people that have approached me about this topic, that departments frequently wait a rather long time into an incident to to call for EMS (transport buses or rehab units). I do not know why more towns do not have these units listed on the initial dispatch for confirmed, reported, or possible structure fires. Doing so would give the Chief's one less thing to focus on. If the Chief finds out it is a false alarm or there really is no need for EMS or rehab, it is very easy to put the units back in service or cancel their response. To me this seems like a very easy thing to do that can have many advantages and can greatly add to the safety of FD members. Even small fires, should have transport buses and a rehab crew. You never know when someone is going to go down, be involved in a collapse, slip on ice, trip over a hose line, etc. Especially with fire volume being down in comparison to past years (general statement), you just never know what will happen at a scene. People are getting more and more exited when they hear the tones drop for a "FIRE!!!!!" Due to this, you just never know if someone will have a cardiac issue. More commonly, heat or exhaustion issues can happen at any scene. During colder months, cold related issues can happen when firefighters are standing around dripping wet. Having EMS and a rehab unit responding automatically or early on can be a great asset if unfortunately something does go wrong. As far as rehab units, perhaps Chiefs are calling so late in the fire incident because they do not quite understand the concept of a rehab crew and what has to be done in terms of setting up at the scene. FYI, it is not as easy as stepping out of a truck and does require some set-up time. So if you are going to need a rehab crew, call for one early on so it can be as effective as possible. If anyone has any insight to this, any input is greatly appreciated. Happy Holidays!

Good point! Should a transport bus either ALS or BLS be invited to attend a "fire in a structure" despite the short duration? I would think one should...

Sorry Capt... I was not trying to argue your point or be disrespectful. I was just saying it is possible...I am aware that every situation and incident is very different and each one presents its own problems. So of course, there are times when it is best to delay the size-up or give a brief incomplete one. I'm just speaking as if the situation allows the opportunity. In other words, it is unacceptable for a Chief or Officer to roll up on scene, and not give a size-up because he had a hot coffee to finish or needs to check EMTBravo on his/her phone.

My comparison is not flawed. By "full staffing" I was referring to a paid agency such as Transcare, Empress, etc The agencies that I am referring to are those that just have a paid EMT. They do not roll the bus when they fail to get a driver. This does not have to do with having buses out already. This is an example of a agency with paid personnel that can not get a rig out...this happens quite often. As far as coming across another agencies call, yes if this happened I would hold it down until the resident agency arrived. This was not what I meant...i might have been unclear. I was referring to instances when you are not at the scene but near the scene. As far as staffing several buses and extra equipment. Yes, it is true most agencies can not manage this. However, there are some that can so for a previous post to say that all EMS should be paid due to response time and getting rigs out is not accurate.

As far as a rig rolling up with a single person aboard (paid or volunteer), yes this does happen to frequently. However, this person can still do stuff and provide a decent scene size-up. For example, the FD that I ride with while up at school is volunteer with 4 paid drivers. One driver is working at all times. When a village call comes in (different protocol for town calls...), the paid driver rolls the rig by himself (unless someone else happens to be at the station) right when the call comes in. When the driver gets on scene, whether it is a working fire, school alarm, residential alarm, CO alarm, MVA, etc they give a size-up. When we have fires in the village, the paid driver will give a size-up upon arrival, and then hit a hydrant and stretch a primary and back up line while members respond to the scene or to get another engine, rescue, or ladder. This shows that is is possible to do things when the situation calls for it and still provide a size-up. One reason why these size-ups are important is because Chief's (and members) hear this and then Chief's can call for 2nd or 3rd assignments prior to arriving on scene.

Agreed, it is very rare for an agency to be able to get buses out consistently and several at a time. I also know there are paid EMS agencies (either full staffing or just en EMT or Driver, etc) that can not get a bus out with paid help. Agencies that can not get rigs out, do not have rehab units, or special-ops units, or several buses...or at least they shouldn't. Just a little side discussion... As for the thread topic. I think it is very important for agencies with Rehab units to meet with surround officials. This often does not lead to change...not sure why, but it's the truth. I really believe it just comes down to the fact that a lot of Westchester agencies are not proactive for what ever reason. This is a big issue in the emergency service community. 99% of the time nothing changes until an incident occurs. Why is this? Why risk life when you can be proactive and change stuff in advance and as a precaution? This two is a topic for another thread but since it was brought up, I will express my opinion... I think calling for towns that you want when there is no real benefit, is ridiculous. Another thing that gets me is when you are coming back from the hospital and here a neighboring department get toned out for an MVA that is right near your location. You then contact 60-control and ask them to ask the IC if they would like you to respond until further information is known. Then the IC says no thank you we have ambulances...but then they wait 20 or so minutes for their own bus to get to the scene. This is simply a EGO problem. We will do it ourselves because we are the best, but in the end it makes you look dumb when you ask 4 times for an eta on a bus while the potential M/A bus drives by and waves.

You would think that...I am beginning to feel that until a department experiences a tragedy, that department will not adjust it's alarm assignments in regards to EMS being dispatched. If this is true, it is a real shame. God for bid something goes wrong and a FF is injured or worse killed. Will lawyers not see that there is a VAC or paid EMS agency close by? In many cases less than 3 miles away? How can an FD justify ignoring to use such a close and vital resource when a member dies due to EMS not being requested to the scene?

From my experience, I would have to disagree with your paid EMS claim. Why should an EMS agency go paid and have enough staff to get one bus out instantly when an agency that is 100% volunteer can get 3 busses and a rehab out at the same time 24/7. I do not feel it is a matter of people receiving pay checks but rather a matter of good leadership, good moral, and most importantly good recruitment. The heart and driving factor behind good EMS operations is not a pay check, it is commitment, membership, and leadership. Now...there are plenty of agencies that fall under the category of "Going paid would help," however this is not true for some. So to say that all EMD should be paid, is not justifiable. I have been to many fires where a 100% volunteer EMS agency is arriving at a fire at the same time as the FD. If an EMS agency is toned out as part of the initial assignment for a fire (structure, brush, trash, etc) then there is no reason and no excuse for a response that is longer than the FD (distance travelled put aside.) Showing up at house duties is a good idea and running drills with the FD's are a great idea and good practice for both EMS and FD agencies. What do you do when both of these have been done on numerous occasions and the same old delay or lack of requesting EMS altogether continues? It seems that a lot of agencies in Westchester (I can not speak for other places.) are not very proactive. Things do not get added to initial assignments unless something goes wrong first. By-laws and SOP's/SOG's are not rewritten until something goes wrong. Yes being proactive takes more effort and thought up front, but when it could save lives, isn't the effort worth it? I would put more effort in now to avoid possible tragedy later on down the road in a heart beat.

Great looking rig! Best of luck with it LMFD.